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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by cphajduk »

kamranjon wrote: post #301
cphajduk wrote: post #125

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I'm not sure how the comparison is made, however Vitamin B12 can only be found in meat and eggs. If you do not have supplements or eat this type of vitamin containing protein, you risk paralysis and death with a 2+ year absence of the vitamin. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other missing nutrients as well.

There is plenty of B12 in seaweed and mushrooms and I eat quite a bit of those - wonder if that's what's keeping me afloat.

Interesting. Turns out I just misunderstood the source of B12. Seems it comes from certain bacteria and archaea.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by core-questions »

gonehome wrote: post #428
core-questions wrote: post #395

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> For me, it was mostly about reducing suffering of other animals. I thought this way before but it's hard to change behavior and I liked hamburgers. I think this is the strongest argument and the environmental or nutritional arguments feel like side issues to avoid just tackling this issue directly. For me, this is the weakest argument. Animals are not people, and agriculturally farmed animals only exist because of…

Just because something is evolved behavior doesn't make it moral: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QsMJQSFj7WfoTMNgW/the-traged... Natural selection doesn't have morality as a goal, only passing on genetic material. > "The suffering of an animal is not the suffering of a human; and if suffering is our primary concern, there's plenty of human suffering that still needs dealt with before we worry about animals." I think…

> I think it's possible to care about both and not eating meat is a relatively easy way to reduce one.

The downsides make it considerably less than "easy". Easy is continuing with the status quo; and as that is certainly likely to be the case for billions of people who have no interest in your uber-rationalist argumentation, I can happily just continue as is, with zero impact to my life until some vociferous person tries to actually make it harder for us to get meat. Then you'll see some real pushback.

Go ahead and live in the pod and eat bugs; the rest of us who are interested in living well and reproducing won't miss you.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by astura »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #69
com2kid wrote: post #37

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I agree that this is important, and less meat consumption is good, but I am kind of upset that the entire American culinary experience is being reduced to "burgers, pizza, and fried chicken." I say that because most of the articles on meat alternatives are written from the perspective of "if only Americans can stop eating hamburgers!" First off, in terms of global solutions, that isn't going to fly. Try going to Ital…

> Countries around the world have culinary traditions older than America itself. Many of these traditional preparations of various cuts of meat are a huge part of culture and history. Many of these traditions include "new world" ingredients such as tomatoes, potatoes, bell peppers, corn, squash, some beans, &c that wouldn't become common in europe or asia until the 16th or 17th century. While still older than the fou…

Very good point, for example, I think of dragon fruit as being 100% an Asian food so I was shocked to find out it's indigenous to the Americas.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by missedthecue »

ip26 wrote: post #492
DamnYuppie wrote: post #139

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My understanding is that cooked meat has much higher caloric value than vegetables. To be honest if it wasn't so good for us we wouldn't have evolved to consume it!

Meat has high calories per pound. But a cow must eat 10,000 calories of plants to produce 1,000 calories of beef. Chickens need as few as 2,000 calories of plant to produce 1,000 calories of chicken. If they are eating roughage humans can't eat, it's useful. But if we are farming corn to feed cows, we could have been farming something humans (or chickens) can eat instead with less land, fertilizer, etc.

Ok, but the plants a cow is eating are inedible to humans, and they mostly graze on infertile land. Most food they are fed in the finishing stage is farm byproduct that would otherwise get thrown out. Only 7% of a cow's lifetime food intake will be crops that compete with human food demand.

What a cow is really doing is turning inedible sources of food into nutritious human food.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by ip26 »

missedthecue wrote: post #534
ip26 wrote: post #492

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Meat has high calories per pound. But a cow must eat 10,000 calories of plants to produce 1,000 calories of beef. Chickens need as few as 2,000 calories of plant to produce 1,000 calories of chicken. If they are eating roughage humans can't eat, it's useful. But if we are farming corn to feed cows, we could have been farming something humans (or chickens) can eat instead with less land, fertilizer, etc.

Ok, but the plants a cow is eating are inedible to humans, and they mostly graze on infertile land. Most food they are fed in the finishing stage is farm byproduct that would otherwise get thrown out. Only 7% of a cow's lifetime food intake will be crops that compete with human food demand. What a cow is really doing is turning inedible sources of food into nutritious human food.

Field corn is hardly a byproduct. It's inedible to humans, yes, but a different crop could be grown instead.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by TheRealSteel »

drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

I've spent the last year vegan (only eating meat again this week because I'm in quarantine and can't get vegan food) and I:

- Firmly believe that lab grown and plant-based imitation meats will be the thing that makes the world vegan, not somehow convincing everybody to stop eating meat and dairy

- Would invest in lab-grown meat for profit if I had money to invest - it just makes sense to me that it will eventually become cheaper to manufacture than traditional meat for obvious reasons, and when it does, the McDonald's marketing machine will be out in full force to convince everyone that lab-grown meat is the manly masculine option (completely different to being one of those 'pussy vegans', right!?) and will succeed massively

Beyond is a plant-based imitation meat, not a lab grown meat (which I think will make more of a splash due to their variety and authenticity), but I still think it has its place and wish them success.

Even if you don't are about the animal cruelty, animal agriculture is a huge contributor to climate change - far bigger than international flights - and not eating meat is usually the best thing an individual can do to lower their contribution.

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Post by lostgame »

swiley wrote: post #124
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

Maybe. As someone who isn't a fan of the meat production process and accidentally bought some vegan "meat" due to Amazon pushing it on everyone it's not the same. I threw it out because I couldn't eat it.

Similar! I can immediately and clearly tell the difference, like water and vodka!

A similar texture, colour and presentation does not the same thing make.

It may have been due to the spelling, but I found it utterly fascinating that a dead comment below stated even their toddler was able to differentiate!

I didn’t throw it out. I donated it to a friend. I have a basically never throw food out policy.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by chickenpotpie »

cphajduk wrote: post #522
chickenpotpie wrote: post #463

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That is incorrect, B12 is abundant in nutritional yeast

Because nutritional yeast is fortified. Hence a supplement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutritional_yeast#Nutrition

All purpose flour is fortified, doesn’t make it a supplement. Did you even read your own source. It literally says that nutritionally yeast can be unfortified and it have b12

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by soyftware »

scottLobster wrote: post #294
submeta wrote: post #40

Just when you think there is no hope for this planet and for humanity something slowly emerges seemingly out of nowhere. Fridays for future was one of those developments that caught me by surprise. Young people fighting for our planet while „angry white men“ claiming there ain’t no climate change. Or take the sudden surge of interest in everything veggy / vegan. In Germany there is a growing demand for vegan products…

You can buy ethically sourced/farmed meat (albeit at a premium), and farmed fish in particular is quite sustainable. I would dispute that there are "a dozen" reasons we should not be eating meat. There are perhaps a few practical reasons we should not be eating low-quality mass-market meat (health, environment, animal cruelty), and a few moral reasons we should not eat unethically raised meat. And even those reasons…

Any source of meat is not ethical to the animals.

Affordability almost doesn't matter. Staple foods like rice, grains, and beans are staple foods for a reason.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by bambax »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #398
gonehome wrote: post #268

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> "On a side note: I'm not vegetarian. I simply agree with those who are." This was my position for a long time until finally making the jump at the beginning of the pandemic (vegetarian, will rarely eat fish sometimes). For me, it was mostly about reducing suffering of other animals. I thought this way before but it's hard to change behavior and I liked hamburgers. I think this is the strongest argument and the envi…

>> For me, it was mostly about reducing suffering of other animals. The way I think of it, pigs are very intelligent, more intelligent than dogs. However, humans are more intelligent. If pigs were more intelligent, pigs would eat humans. And that's not a figure of speech. Pig would eat us if they could. They wouldn't stop and think, gee, does this little baby human girl cry because it doesn't want to be eaten, maybe…

That's some flawed reasoning if there ever was any.

If the justification for eating pigs is that you're no better than them, and they "would" eat "little girls", why not eat little girls yourself? They would be much tender than adult pigs, and presumably easier to find.

Also, how do you know pigs would eat little girls? Pigs that we eat were created by us. They would not exist if not us.

Wild pigs, while omnivorous, eat mostly plants and extremely small animals; when they eat bigger animals it's usually because they're already dead.

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