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Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Exactly how?

"That's completely wrong" "You can't just say somethings completely wrong especially since you're completely wrong"

Or how about not commenting to statements that aren't completely wrong by saying "completely wrong" when that is clearly debatable.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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This brand was tested by German magazine called "Öko-Test" on their ingredients. Also not for the first time. It got a BAD review again because it contains too much mineral oil in it (could have various reasons, packaging of ingredients or oily manufacturing machines) and 20g fat per 100g "meat". So it's unhealthy on mineral oil (MOSH) which can easily accumulate in your body and fat percentage. One of the sources wh…

You may want the primary source, Öko-Test [1], here. Your two links are really unclear about what they mean.

It's evident from the Öko-Test article that they are referring to contamination ("residue" of mineral oil, as they call it). Unfortunately, the published results are behind a paywall, and they don't explain in the article just how significant the contamination is. For all we know, it could be an insignificant amount. It's also unclear if they tested any meat products for similar types of contamination.

[1] https://www.oekotest.de/essen-trinken/Vegane-Burger-im-Test-...

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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I stopped eating meat in January 2018 and I can honestly say the only thing I miss is a Big Mac! This is VERY good news for me and a long overdue! That being said, whilst I do love a Beyond burger, here in the UK, I was surprised to hear it was Beyond that McDonalds selected for this. While in Orlando 2 years ago, I tried an Impossible burger for the first time and it was incredible. The size, texture and taste would…

I keep seeing people say that Impossible tastes better, bit Beyond keeps snagging big deals like this and it makes me wonder if they have either a price or supply-chain advantage.

A key factor being BYND is a public company and they are under pressure to produce results. These are largely small experimental runs. I think the general consensus is that Impossible is the better product. And my guess is McDonald’s knows this and could be trying to drive down valuation for Impossible so they can buy it. It’s currently valued around $4-5B vs $9B for BYND.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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This brand was tested by German magazine called "Öko-Test" on their ingredients. Also not for the first time. It got a BAD review again because it contains too much mineral oil in it (could have various reasons, packaging of ingredients or oily manufacturing machines) and 20g fat per 100g "meat". So it's unhealthy on mineral oil (MOSH) which can easily accumulate in your body and fat percentage. One of the sources wh…

The fat percentage criticism strikes me as a bit odd. At least where I am (USA) ground meat is categorized by its fat percentage and 20% fat is the standard I usually see in the supermarket. I guess what I'm saying is: 20% is indeed a high fat percentage, but it's also the typical fat percentage for conventional meat so it feels disingenuous to use it to criticize plant-based meats.

Totally depends on how you're using it. A burger over flame needs that extra fat to stay moist or you'll get a sad, dry burger. Making tacos on the other hand makes it gush out when eating and grossly congealed when refrigerated.

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I find seitan and tofu completely unpalatable, and I can’t rely on eating hundreds of grams of peanuts to fill my protein needs. Lentils are fine... I lift heavy, which I believe is integral to my good health (the evidence on the health benefits of strength training is overwhelming). You do need significant amounts of protein if you lift - this is backed by both research and empirical evidence. Designing 3000-4000kca…

Most serious weightlifters in my experience supplement their diet with protein shakes or similar, many vegan formulations exist. It's not super tasty, but I wouldn't call it "highly impractical". Beyond that in my experience "lifter diet" is not exactly gourmet stuff, unless you really, really like chicken breasts.

I drink about 2-3 day. It leaves anywhere between 2-3.5k calories of real food to fill. It is highly impractical compared to brown rice, chicken and veggies, which is one of the reasons why they will be about the last population segment to ever adopt a diet without meat.

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I'm not sure how the comparison is made, however Vitamin B12 can only be found in meat and eggs. If you do not have supplements or eat this type of vitamin containing protein, you risk paralysis and death with a 2+ year absence of the vitamin. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other missing nutrients as well.

It's ok you can just drink beer (!1l a day) to get B12 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11464234/ (Of course, this study is from Czech Republic where average beer consumption is something like 0.7l per capita)

I was under the impression alcohol impacted B vitamin absorption though, so this may not work?

I looked it up and it seems to be suggested that it does but I didn’t look long enough to find a study.

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Just when you think there is no hope for this planet and for humanity something slowly emerges seemingly out of nowhere. Fridays for future was one of those developments that caught me by surprise. Young people fighting for our planet while „angry white men“ claiming there ain’t no climate change. Or take the sudden surge of interest in everything veggy / vegan. In Germany there is a growing demand for vegan products…

> In Germany there is a growing demand for vegan products, and this demand seems to be very strong, because every grocery store has a growing number of vegan products lately. Greenwashing PR Talk to any supermarket manager and they will tell you that the vegan specialty section is a net loss. HQ tells them do keep it, so they keep it.

Are you claiming that all grocery stores sell vegan products as loss-leaders? Can you please share a link to some data on it?

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Beyond nutritional or environmental reasons to reduce meat consumption, there are ethical considerations about the consciousness of the animals we slaughter. It doesn’t matter how we get people to be less reliant on factory farms, so long as we do. We must examine every avenue that allows us to reduce the suffering of animals.

Preface: I'm a hypocritical omnivore who likes animals.

If meat alternatives and lab grown meat become cheap and indistinguishable from real sources, I predict that within the span of two generations our descendants are going to look back on us as immoral savages. I use cognitive dissonance and distance from how my food is made to get over how horrible industrial farming is and how brutal life can be for livestock. They'll wonder how we were able to tolerate such brutality and all the answers come back to either 'out of sight, out of mind' or 'it's tasty'.

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I wish companies were not able to label and sell these textured vegetable proteins as "meat". They are great products but they are not meat and as scale increases and they become less expensive than meat there will be strong commercial profit motives to replace real meat with "* meat" for monetary reasons.

I'd strongly prefer for increased funding to isolated tissue culture methods. That way we could have real meat without the environmental or ethical issues.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

The popular crusade against meat is one of the more misguided. Meat provides far more nutritional value than any plant and the environmental impacts have been greatly exaggerated. See below: Regarding carbon: "removal of livestock in the US would only lead to a net GHG reduction of 2.6% in national emissions. Similarly, removing all dairy would lead to a reduction of just 0.7%. At the same time, both transitions woul…

I know it’s McDonald’s but if this is a healthier option cholesterol wise that’d be good.. I mean maybe that’s impossible at McDonald’s but -shrug-
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