Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut • Hacker News Board

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by veonik » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #88

vortegne wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meat provides far more nutritional value than any plant Completely wrong

Pound for pound, it cannot be denied meat provides more nutrition than the same amount of plants.

Are we also considering the pounds of plants that the animal had to eat to grow to such a size? I should imagine it takes quite a lot of food to raise a one ton cow for slaughter. At least one ton of plant material as food, right? To produce how many pounds of meat? 750lbs seems reasonable.

So if you had 2750lbs of plant food for yourself, vs just the 750 lbs of meat -- which has more nutrients?

(I do not know the answer myself, but I can see where it could be argued that meat is not more nutritious, pound for pound)

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by arcturus17 » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #11

drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

Are there stats to back up that non-vegans begin consuming more vegan based meals if they have the option? And I mean more than once. A consumer might try it but then go back to normal. At there good stats on repeat buying on a large scale?

I’ll eat fake meat from time to time but I still eat real meat the vast majority of time. The main reasons are that it’s only distributed in restaurants where I live, it is less protein-dense (I lift heavy) and I’m not 100% sure about its safety. But I would be willing to eat more of it as these issues are solved.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by tommoor » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

nafizh wrote: post #98

I feel the price is still quite high for daily consumption. For example, 3 lbs of impossible ground meat is ~50$, so per pound comes in about ~16$ (data from impossible website). Real ground beef, even when you buy high quality will be around 7-8$ per pound.

It has been high but it's already coming down, I don't know how permanently. Currently Impossible is:

- Costco: $16 for 2lbs

- Trader Joes: $5.99 for 12oz

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by swiley » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

Maybe. As someone who isn't a fan of the meat production process and accidentally bought some vegan "meat" due to Amazon pushing it on everyone it's not the same. I threw it out because I couldn't eat it.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by cphajduk » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

bweitzman wrote: post #84

elktea wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The popular crusade against meat is one of the more misguided. Meat provides far more nutritional value than any plant and the environmental impacts have been greatly exaggerated. See below: Regarding carbon: "removal of livestock in the US would only lead to a net GHG reduction of 2.6% in national emissions. Similarly, removing all dairy would lead to a reduction of just 0.7%. At the same time, both transitions woul…

How are you comparing nutritional value between meat and plant products? There are literally hundreds of millions (if not billions) of people that have been eating vegetarian diets for their entire lives, and these types of diets have been popular for millennia.

I'm not sure how the comparison is made, however Vitamin B12 can only be found in meat and eggs.

If you do not have supplements or eat this type of vitamin containing protein, you risk paralysis and death with a 2+ year absence of the vitamin.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are other missing nutrients as well.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by Spivak » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

bweitzman wrote: post #84

elktea wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The popular crusade against meat is one of the more misguided. Meat provides far more nutritional value than any plant and the environmental impacts have been greatly exaggerated. See below: Regarding carbon: "removal of livestock in the US would only lead to a net GHG reduction of 2.6% in national emissions. Similarly, removing all dairy would lead to a reduction of just 0.7%. At the same time, both transitions woul…

How are you comparing nutritional value between meat and plant products? There are literally hundreds of millions (if not billions) of people that have been eating vegetarian diets for their entire lives, and these types of diets have been popular for millennia.

Look, this isn't the whole picture and it super misleading. Just because humans survived with a particular diet doesn't mean that they wouldn't have been healthier had they eaten meat. You can't just point to historical populations who didn't have widespread access to animal products and be like "see they lived."

I'm not saying your not correct that vegetarian diets are fine from a health perspective but this isn't evidence of it.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by whalesalad » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

Bummer - the Impossible burger is 100x better than Beyond Meat. I've tried the stuff at Del Taco too and it is pretty dismal. Even my veggie sister was disappointed.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by whalesalad » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #79

ukyrgf wrote: post #55

Impossible is definitely better tasting, but I'm happy to see Taco Bell is included in this deal (though not in the headline here on HN). I haven't been there since they got rid of potatoes, so having a vegan option would make my taco consumption during lunch break skyrocket.

Taco meat [EDIT: in Taco Bell's usage] is a perfect application, since its texture is already squishy and the flavor is dominated by spice. Plus, it's wrapped in a shell and mixed with lettuce and other things. Even a mediocre fake meat is enough to pass. Beyond Meat should have no trouble producing a virtually-indistinguishable taco meat.

Del Taco already has a Beyond Meat taco and it tastes like shit.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by legitster » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

I enjoy eating meat and have no plans of going off of it completely. But we eat so much of it as a culture.

And when you add up every hot pocket, frozen pizza, slider, hot dog, or chicken nugget, it's hard to argue that most of meat actually being consumed can't be easily substituted. For something healthier and cheaper too!

And I know people blast tech companies for focusing too much on making things flashy and cool, but the people who are making electric cars and fake meat cool are the ones who are going to save our asses while we were busy scolding people for not trying harder to enjoy brown rice.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by dragonwriter » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #79

ukyrgf wrote: post #55

Impossible is definitely better tasting, but I'm happy to see Taco Bell is included in this deal (though not in the headline here on HN). I haven't been there since they got rid of potatoes, so having a vegan option would make my taco consumption during lunch break skyrocket.

Taco meat [EDIT: in Taco Bell's usage] is a perfect application, since its texture is already squishy and the flavor is dominated by spice. Plus, it's wrapped in a shell and mixed with lettuce and other things. Even a mediocre fake meat is enough to pass. Beyond Meat should have no trouble producing a virtually-indistinguishable taco meat.

> Taco meat is a perfect application, since its texture is already squishy and the flavor is dominated by spice.

“Taco Bell ground beef” rather than “taco meat”; this is very much not true of taco meat generally, including the non-ground-beef options at Taco Bell or other similar fast-food taco restaurants.