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Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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>So you are replacing landlords with people who actually live there. ...who are now saddled with decades of mortgage payments, and have a high percentage of their net worth being tied up in a not very well diversified asset class.

But you are buying an asset instead of just paying rent.

That's the point. People are forced concentrating their wealth into a single asset.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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An issue that many commenters here are missing is that the problem with rent control will manifest more sharply in the future.

Sure, the impact today seems relatively equitable: a windfall for people that rent today coupled with a small drop in supply.

But fast forward 10 or 20 years and the situation looks far worse: everyone who got a windfall today is still living in the same apartment, whereas anyone trying to enter the rental market is utterly SOL. The people that are really getting screwed are 10 years old today: when they try to move out of Mom and Dad's they will enter a market with vastly reduced supply since nobody has any incentive to move.

This is why if you're 19 you can't afford to live in Manhattan: you're either old (and lucky) or rich.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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Rationing bread would increase the number of people who have some bread. Regulating the price to a point well below the free market supply/demand driven price causes a decrease in the amount of bread supplied to the market (and probably increase hoarding/decrease the breadth of distribution). Think back to toilet paper shortages last spring. Rationing was arguably the best move (and was what local markets around me d…

Rental properties are inherently rationed by the fact that there is no reason to rent more than one flat in the same city.

I don't think this is a very useful way of looking at it. it's uncommon, but not unheard of, for people to rent more than one apartment in the same city. especially if it's a large city, someone with a lot of money might find it attractive to rent a small studio by the office and a larger space in a nice residential area. if rent were really cheap, I might lease a second unit in my building for out-of-town visitors. it would probably be more practical to just rent a 2BR instead, but in some sense this is the same thing. renting two 600 sqft apartments takes roughly as much living space off the market as renting one 1200 sq ft apartment. if rent were way cheaper, you would probably see developers start building much larger units and people renting them. indeed, this is often what you see when you compare housing stock in the city vs. the surrounding suburbs.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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Yes why build an apartment in Berlin if they will just inevitably move the date for rent controlled buildings forward eventually.

I don't know... maybe because you need an apartment for yourself, and you now can afford to actually buy the lot because you do not have to compete with investors expecting a dividend of 20% on their investment?

Do you really think that suppressing professional home builders to make room for homesteaders building their own homes by hand is a good idea for Berlin?

Why not get rid of greedy farmers so people can grow potatoes in their backyard? Why this longing to re-implement the failed policies of East Germany? Is it nostalgia for police states and shortages?

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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Once the evil rich pigs have lots of bread, more than even they can eat, do they then not start using it to purchase labor from the starving poor?

No, they use it to buy lands, resources, mercenaries to get more land and to keep the status quo. I suppose if you are a mercenary you will be fine (as long as your head is not split in 2)

I guess that's an accurate analysis of the economic situation in Europe AD 1100, a time period famous for its laissez-faire capitalism.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

#156
Let me get this straight: the population of Berlin has been stagnant since 1950, wages aren’t rising, but the reason real estate prices are rising is because of demand from renters?

Sorry folks, the correct answer is: it’s a real estate bubble. And deregulation is not going to help with that.

We all lived through 2008, didn’t we? We’ve seen this before. It shouldn’t be a big mystery. Speculation drives real estate prices, real estate prices drive rents. Government intervention is necessary to break the cycle.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

#157

The goal of rent control - or more accurately rent stabilization - should be to smooth out fluctuations in rent over time, not to create a class of housing stuck below market in perpetuity. Most of what people object to about rent control isn't the attempt to stop families form suffering wild rent increases that can destabilize entire neighborhoods/workforces, but rather to smooth out those increases to give families…

A different policy (Mietpreisbremse -> rent price brake) with this explicit goal is in place in "high-pressure" rental markets all over Germany. It means price cannot be more than 10% over the local average.

Berlin specifically wanted something more.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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I agree, although the toilet paper situation was a bit different IMO because the shortage wasn't in the supply chain -- it was absolutely clear that inventories would restock sooner or later. In that situation, higher prices wouldn't have incentivized more production. Still, supermarkets could have temporarily raised prices 10x and still sold their inventory. Why didn't more of them do it? Presumably, they made the r…

I think this is part of the nuance: we've gotten ourselves into such a bind with housing in so many places that it feels like we need the short term, crisis relief that rent control provides. For some people, it absolutely means not being kicked out into the streets. Go tell that mom and her kids about 'the market'. Yet at the same time, markets, supply and demand are real, and we need to bring them back into balance…

So if you wanted to apply the rationing strategy to housing, would high taxes on unoccupied be a way of doing that? I think I have heard of cities (Vancouver?) implementing such taxes.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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Unclear on how claimed price controls would ensure equitable distribution of bread. Why is the price of bread being capped making it so that more people get bread? If I’m rich and the price of bread is artificially low, maybe I’ll just buy up even more bread and now fewer people get bread.

Because you can define the cap so e.g. it only applies for one apartment per person, so you can't use it to get multiple ones cheap.

One apartment per person or per family? If per family, is it still per person if the couple is not legally married? If they are married, but divorce, get an apartment each and then re-marry, are they supposed to give up the properties?

What if my nephew from another town moves in to live, it becomes tight… are they eligible too?

There are plenty of places in the world where real estate was/is rationed or distributed, and they all end up having very similar social distortions.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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In Oregon, they passed a statewide rent control. They pointed out repeatedly at how rent had gone up 30% over five years.

The solution, is that now landlords can only increase rent 7% (plus inflation) per year. This year, its something like 9%.

Apparently, someone forgot to figure out what >7% per year for 5 years is..... Its 40%, before the inflation numbers are added in.

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