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Proposal for an Internet Service: The Eternal Home Page (1996)

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Re: Proposal for an Internet Service: The Eternal Home Page (1996)

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Post by charles_f »

drdec wrote: post #25
for_i_in_range wrote: post #7

I’ve been interested in doing this for some time. I haven’t looked into How to do it heavily yet; however my hunch is, it can be done with one or a combination of these: - IPFS - Dat ( https://dat.foundation/ ) - Ethereum - Prepaying for Hosting and Domains + Archive.org Would be curious to hear how others have gone about this. It would be interesting if there were a service where you could pay in $5,000 worth of Eth…

Why would this service need a significantly different business model from the way cemeteries currently operate?

Because cemetery concessions usually last much shorter than 500y?

Re: Proposal for an Internet Service: The Eternal Home Page (1996)

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Post by tito »

for_i_in_range wrote: post #7

I’ve been interested in doing this for some time. I haven’t looked into How to do it heavily yet; however my hunch is, it can be done with one or a combination of these: - IPFS - Dat ( https://dat.foundation/ ) - Ethereum - Prepaying for Hosting and Domains + Archive.org Would be curious to hear how others have gone about this. It would be interesting if there were a service where you could pay in $5,000 worth of Eth…

For the domain part you can eternally use a Tor .onion domain i.e. http://eternx2sade7n5nh.onion/

Re: Proposal for an Internet Service: The Eternal Home Page (1996)

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Post by ryankrage77 »

Grustaf wrote: post #18
birracerveza wrote: post #4

Good idea but impossible with a centralized service, because as soon as the hosting company goes down the page goes down with it. Only now that decentralization is starting to be a thing this will finally be possible.

As long as this company would be around, they could keep the website up and running. That's the point of the service.

Orange's futureself project was only supposed to last 20 years and is already gone.

It was a site where you could write an email to your future self, that they would deliver in 20 years.

https://futureself.orange.com/

https://web.archive.org/web/20150726002333/https://futuresel...

Re: Proposal for an Internet Service: The Eternal Home Page (1996)

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Post by aklemm »

I've thought about this a bit myself. It could be a publicly-funded service or simply a non-profit trust, but simply having a text based namespace, and links to where all other data are stored would be a massive benefit.

https://internetid.gov/personname

id -> https://mycurrentISP.com/iddata/personname

healthdata -> https://mycurrentinsurer/personname

photos -> https://apple.com/icloud/photos/personname

Whatever, but the idea is the Eternal Home Page can be mostly(only?) pointers to records and then the authentication and authorization can change and exist in the private market. The Eternal Home Page can implement some auth as well.

Setup a trust, charge/tax/fee enough to always provide the hosting and security, that's it.

For now, everyone should at least manage a personal web page of their own to keep the dream alive.

Anyway, legal and financial aspects are what will make it permanent, not technology (though it can help!).

Re: Proposal for an Internet Service: The Eternal Home Page (1996)

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Post by UShouldBWorking »

jhoechtl wrote: post #33
charles_f wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which assumes there is some "big data" as well.

But only with ML please!

You joke but none of these are passing fads. Bitorent continues to host and sever terabytes of data daily, I just downloaded my OS over torrent the other day. Bitcoin has been working great (now called Bitcoin Cash) as Peer to Peer Digital Cash for over a decade now. And ML makes EVERYTHING you do online possible. Try to image a modern search engine without ML.

There is no reason to joke about these life changing technologies unless you just don't understand how valuable they are.

Re: Proposal for an Internet Service: The Eternal Home Page (1996)

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Post by noyesno »

lorax wrote: post #24
mlok wrote: post #11

This could be done by the Internet Archive.

You can already do this with the Internet Archive, just create a web page, submit it to the wayback machine, then publish the resulting archive link. Like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20210302145655/https://news.ycom...

Except if you lose the domain and someone else picks it up, they can setup a restrictive robots.txt and your page will no longer be visible in the archive.

Re: Proposal for an Internet Service: The Eternal Home Page (1996)

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Post by Grustaf »

ryankrage77 wrote: post #35
Grustaf wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as this company would be around, they could keep the website up and running. That's the point of the service.

Orange's futureself project was only supposed to last 20 years and is already gone. It was a site where you could write an email to your future self, that they would deliver in 20 years. https://futureself.orange.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150726002333/https://futuresel...

I'm not saying they will keep the promise, but it seems to me that it's the entire point of the offering.
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