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Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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> as demand from new arrivals far outstripped supply

This is mischaracterizing what is going on. There is rampant speculation by multinationals buying up old housing stock and attempting to do the New York City model of hyperluxury renovations at the expense of existing residents.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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"limiting profits is bad" says the worlds biggest pro-capital megaphone while referencing a company that usually does paid pro-business questionnaires. "As expected, rents in Berlin’s regulated market plummeted in relative terms." and "Newly built apartments have therefore become even more unaffordable for most people." They are not directly lying, but I'd count this as dishonesty by omission. Newly built apartments…

"Communism is bad" says everybody I have ever met who lived in a communist country.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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post #7

I expected to agree with that article, but honestly the tradeoff seems reasonable. Given just the data presented there, is it actually worse if rent controlled apartments are hard to get if lots of people are also paying much less rent? I'd really want to see some data about lots of people wanting to move to or within Berlin who are not able to due to lack of supply. That data may well exist but isn't presented here.

Think about how much money a landlord has to invest with in keeping a property attractive to renters. What's the point?

Exactly, what is the point?

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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The alternative proposed by the article is basically : let it unregulated, the market will provide. Which is how it was before. Was the problem solved? No. Maybe it is not the right solution but I doubt very much the author is concerned by the problem. The article says only some places have their rent capped so the rents of the uncapped ones are skyrocketing. I am not convinced it is a solution cause I don't claim to be competent in the matter but how about all rents be capped? This is a solution the article does not even bother to discuss. So it's just yet another piece telling you that things are how they are (that is to your disadvantage) and nothing should be done about it. The article put right wing populism and left wing populism on a equal footing but as far as I can see one tries to give access to a decent life and public services, the other leaves to fend for yourself while blaming any minority group for it.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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post #9

This is an opinion piece in bloomberg, a pro-business, pro-wealthy publication. Is there any surprise that they dislike rent controls?

This is true. Same logic goes for anti-vaxxers and doctors. Of COURSE doctors recommend going to doctors. They WOULD say that.

Those aren’t really analogous. Doctors aren’t pro-vaccine because it’s good for their business interests. They’re pro-vaccine because their community agrees that they work and are produced safely. In the case being discussed, the argument is the anti-rent-control folks are letting business interests drive their argument.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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"Price changes in the regulated market dropped relative to those in the 13 other cities. That’s because real estate loses value if its future cash flows to landlords are capped. There was also an acceleration of apartments going up for sale, as landlords tried to cash out of their now less profitable investments." & "And whenever somebody does move out — when moving to another city, for example — the landlord tends to sell the unit rather than re-let it."

Sounds like it is a massive success? Those units don't magically disappear, they are bought - by homeowners. It seems like the landlords were artificially driving up the housing market while not adding any value.

The only problem here is that they limited it to pre-2014 apartments. Maybe they should just extend it to all apartments instead.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

#27

"limiting profits is bad" says the worlds biggest pro-capital megaphone while referencing a company that usually does paid pro-business questionnaires. "As expected, rents in Berlin’s regulated market plummeted in relative terms." and "Newly built apartments have therefore become even more unaffordable for most people." They are not directly lying, but I'd count this as dishonesty by omission. Newly built apartments…

"Communism is bad" says everybody I have ever met who lived in a communist country.

I agree, I phrased that badly. I've now edited it to "limiting profits is bad".

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it worse if now there is a special class of people who happened to be in the right buildings at the right time when this law passed who will now forever get discounted rent, leaving everybody else to pay full price?

This sounds a lot like land ownership.

Well in most of US you can pay off the land but you still have property taxes which can go up. Also the tax basis can be adjusted based on the market value of similar properties in your area.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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post #7

I expected to agree with that article, but honestly the tradeoff seems reasonable. Given just the data presented there, is it actually worse if rent controlled apartments are hard to get if lots of people are also paying much less rent? I'd really want to see some data about lots of people wanting to move to or within Berlin who are not able to due to lack of supply. That data may well exist but isn't presented here.

Think about how much money a landlord has to invest with in keeping a property attractive to renters. What's the point?

Time to sell for a reasonable price then.

Re: Rent controls have split housing in Berlin into two distinct markets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds a lot like land ownership.

Well in most of US you can pay off the land but you still have property taxes which can go up. Also the tax basis can be adjusted based on the market value of similar properties in your area.

Not in California.
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