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CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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I've been using it as well and wow does it cut down on my bandwidth as well.

Just wondering, how many different lionhearted-folk are there on HN?

Here's the ones I've found so far:

http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=lionheart

http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=lionhearted

http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=theli0nheart

http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ligerhearted

Any others hiding in the woodworks that wanna show themselves?

Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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I remember signing up for the beta of this service not really understanding how it worked and was pretty weirded out when it asked me to point my DNS to their server. That's not an anti-spam product, that's hosting.

No, it isn't hosting because you still keep your hosting provider when using CloudFlare. The DNS switch is at your registrar, which is an entirely separate issue than hosting.

Example: 1. Registrar could be GoDaddy. 2. Hosting is at BlueHost.

Adding CloudFlare would mean: 1. Change authoritative nameservers at GoDaddy to us. 2. Hosting doesn't change at BlueHost.

Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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Perhaps someone can demystify CloudFlare for me? Their value proposition is completely absurd ("protect websites from hacking"), yet they're still around and get quite a bit of seemingly expensive PR-spin like this article. Who pays for the "accidental CDN" that, according to the article, pushes as much traffic as the 10th largest website on the internet? Their optional $20/mo subscription plan can't possibly cover t…

> Who pays for the "accidental CDN" that, according to the article, pushes as much traffic as the 10th largest website on the internet? Their optional $20/mo subscription plan can't possibly cover that. They use VigLink to add affiliate tags to the external links of the sites that use them.

"They use VigLink to add affiliate tags to the external links of the sites that use them."

This is actually an optional service (Outbound Links) that can be turned on or off (opt-in by default). No affiliate links are added without turning the feature on.

Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that you have to look at how CloudFlare is billing itself. It's a simple solution for people who want to have a faster website. It's easier to implement than most other caching or CDN and that $20 plan is likely limited to sites under X amount of traffic. The company is only sitting on around $2 mm in funding (if memory serves me) so it's either making a decent sum of money from people who find value in that…

We're not going to fizzle out any time soon. :-)

This is why I love HN!

Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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Perhaps someone can demystify CloudFlare for me? Their value proposition is completely absurd ("protect websites from hacking"), yet they're still around and get quite a bit of seemingly expensive PR-spin like this article. Who pays for the "accidental CDN" that, according to the article, pushes as much traffic as the 10th largest website on the internet? Their optional $20/mo subscription plan can't possibly cover t…

> Who pays for the "accidental CDN" that, according to the article, pushes as much traffic as the 10th largest website on the internet? Their optional $20/mo subscription plan can't possibly cover that. They use VigLink to add affiliate tags to the external links of the sites that use them.

They use VigLink to add affiliate tags to the external links of the sites that use them.

Some mangled affiliate links cover the cost for 10th largest traffic site nowadays?

Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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I have been running my site through it for some time now as well as testing an uptime monitoring script via Google App Engine someone on Reddit wrote.

If anyone is interested in the very limited data, it is at http://isitupordown.appspot.com/v/urbad with "ActualServer" being the VPS itself, and CDNCache being CloudFlare.

Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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I doubt I'm your target market, so feel free to ignore me, but do you have a page that explains what you're really offering minus all the marketing hand waving? It sounds like it might be interesting but it's difficult to wade through the 10,000 ft view stuff.

For example, I just picked this mouseover that interested me:

The threat challenge page stops known threats and alerts infected humans that they need to take action.

Is there anything that elaborates on that? From a security perspective, I'm drawing a blank as to what a reverse proxy filter is achieving there. You're rewriting html destined for ddos zombies?

Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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post #17

I doubt I'm your target market, so feel free to ignore me, but do you have a page that explains what you're really offering minus all the marketing hand waving? It sounds like it might be interesting but it's difficult to wade through the 10,000 ft view stuff. For example, I just picked this mouseover that interested me: The threat challenge page stops known threats and alerts infected humans that they need to take a…

If a threat is detected (either because the IP has a bad reputation, or a request contains a malicious payload) then, depending on your security settings, instead of the request being passed to your web server it is answered by the proxy. The answer is a web page that, again depending on your security settings and the type of threat, includes a CAPTCHA. If the visitor passes the CAPTCHA then their session is marked as valid and they're allowed to pass through the proxy unhindered.

Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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Perhaps someone can demystify CloudFlare for me? Their value proposition is completely absurd ("protect websites from hacking"), yet they're still around and get quite a bit of seemingly expensive PR-spin like this article. Who pays for the "accidental CDN" that, according to the article, pushes as much traffic as the 10th largest website on the internet? Their optional $20/mo subscription plan can't possibly cover t…

Similar to many other companies operating on the internet these days, CloudFlare operates on a freemium model (free vs paid products). We also have some other opportunities to make money with other product integrations & will be launching enterprise products in the future.

We're not going anywhere:)

Re: CloudFlare: A website security product accidentally makes sites 60% faster

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Has been used by Lulzsec effectively to hold up against DDoS attacks and popularized by them on Twitter as well. It works.

In CloudFlare's Features page ( https://www.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-services.html ), "Denial of service attack protection" is marked as not available now or even soon.

Not sure how this stands against a DDoS.

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