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From my point of view as an American who has lived in Europe (Sweden, later Germany, and the UK) my framing of the US political situation is as follows: Democrats tend to be authoritarian and pro-centralization of power. Republicans tend to be anti-authoritarian and pro-decentralization. Both major parties have a long history of deep corruption. They've essentially colluded to rob the American people blind. Unfortuna…

IDK man, the last POTUS didn't seem so anti-authoritarian to me, but that might again be an outside position.

I personally have very mixed feelings about Trump as a whole. On the one hand, I didn't vote for him. I see him as divisive and as an obstacle for progress on real issues that I personally care about.

However, he has done a few things that I have sincere appreciation for. Primarily, we made significant gains towards peace in the middle east by negotiating treaties in the region. Another point in the win column (leading up the covid) was the economy. And the last major thing I cared about was reducing the US dependence on Chinese goods and labor (which are made so affordable due to inhumane practices).

Regarding authoritarianism, he has a mixed track record. He had a thing for executive orders, but he also let the states largely handle the civil unrest and covid in the manner they saw fit.

With that having been said, Trump was a Democrat for a long time, and was certainly not a typical political establishment individual. I find it difficult to attribute him to either party.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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In the US, a majority of GOP voters believe that Democrats stole the election, and that Joe Biden is an illegitimate president. Here is a pollster that is respected by US conservatives: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/ele... Many also believe that patriotic violence is acceptable to protect the legitimacy of democracy. What kind of conversation do you have when people believe their democracy…

Claims about electoral fraud are a regular occurrence in American politics. Democrats made similar claims about at least the 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections. Trump's claims about election fraud and the sheer number of lawsuits are an escalation but it isn't a difference in kind. Edited to add the following. The child post correctly points out that I should have mentioned Trump's inciting a violent attempt to overthrow…

How about inciting his supporters to attempt to halt the transition of power? It seems like you conveniently forgot about that while drawing your false equivalence.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Was this really the result of a SQL injection attack? I can't find any details on how data was exfiltrated from the site. With all of the tools available today I would have thought this kind of attack would be pretty uncommon.

I don't know anything about this situation but in general you're absolutely right. Unfortunately when you have thousands of people trying to become the next @donk_enby, 'pretty uncommon' becomes just a matter of time.

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People have suggested re-education camps or other "deprogramming" for Trump voters, including elected Democratic representatives. And yeah, it is often one and the same. Don't remember who it was, but someone said that the problem with free speech is that you'll spend most of your time defending scoundrels. As far as hate speech goes, people literally lecture that people who happen to be born like me are "born into n…

This post is a lot of FUD with no citations.

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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post #534

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IDK man, the last POTUS didn't seem so anti-authoritarian to me, but that might again be an outside position.

I personally have very mixed feelings about Trump as a whole. On the one hand, I didn't vote for him. I see him as divisive and as an obstacle for progress on real issues that I personally care about. However, he has done a few things that I have sincere appreciation for. Primarily, we made significant gains towards peace in the middle east by negotiating treaties in the region. Another point in the win column (leadi…

His rhetoric against TPP did more harm to US China dependence than any good he did.

"The Internet" was all in A Tizzy because the treaty spelled out some legal procedures (that withdrawing from the treaty would end), and forgot that it was aimed squarely at China.

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If you're just going to lie, you could at least pick something everyone isn't versed in. As opposed to implying the US has no oppressed minorities, which is by now so well and extensively documented to be the case nobody sane will take you seriously after reading you say it isn't.

You got downvoted to oblivion then [Dead]-ed. Maybe some mini-brigading going here? Anyway FWIW I vouched for your comment.

It happens on very few of my comments, usually when I'm a bit too forceful while pointing out something that can be construed as politically left-leaning. Thank you :)

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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People have suggested re-education camps or other "deprogramming" for Trump voters, including elected Democratic representatives. And yeah, it is often one and the same. Don't remember who it was, but someone said that the problem with free speech is that you'll spend most of your time defending scoundrels. As far as hate speech goes, people literally lecture that people who happen to be born like me are "born into n…

This post is a lot of FUD with no citations.

1. Katie Couric on the need to "deprogram" Trump Voters https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/19/katie-couri...

2. MSNBC Nicolle Wallace suggests Drone Strikes on US soil to combat Trump cult aka inciters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU5hw9H7htc

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

I disagree that Democrats are center-right. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Bernie Sanders are definitely left wing, even for European standards. But you might be partly right. One of the reasons for that are rules of political marketing (rarely politicians have enough courage to ignore them). One of those rules says that you need to differ and polarization is good. You want to win? Show how different you are. Another ru…

No, most of the stuff Bernie and AOC advocate for are considered fairly centrist policies in western Europe. Universal healthcare coverage? Paid parental leave? These are the norm in western Europe, they're not radical in the least.

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I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

Many individual beliefs are really tribe beliefs. If the tribe beliefs change then the individual beliefs will change too, because the individual was never really committed to them.

This happened recently in 2020 from Jan to May on the Coronavirus. The party of “no big deal” reoriented from left to right and many people reoriented with it.

Tribe beliefs on free speech have changed and those who align with those tribes have changed with it.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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I personally have very mixed feelings about Trump as a whole. On the one hand, I didn't vote for him. I see him as divisive and as an obstacle for progress on real issues that I personally care about. However, he has done a few things that I have sincere appreciation for. Primarily, we made significant gains towards peace in the middle east by negotiating treaties in the region. Another point in the win column (leadi…

His rhetoric against TPP did more harm to US China dependence than any good he did. "The Internet" was all in A Tizzy because the treaty spelled out some legal procedures (that withdrawing from the treaty would end), and forgot that it was aimed squarely at China.

> His rhetoric against TPP did more harm to US China dependence than any good he did.

I strongly agree. His rhetoric was one of the biggest, if not the biggest, issues with Trump as president overall. On that point, he failed miserably.

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