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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Proziam »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #449
kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

> by worldwide standards America actually ranges from center-right (Democrats) to far-right (Republicans) OhBoyHereWeGo.jpg It's stupid to try and condense the political ideology of the US (or almost any nation) down to one spectrum and then try and map that onto the rest of the world when we (and the rest of the world) have a lot of ideology based on "well party X took position Y because party V had position W back…

From my point of view as an American who has lived in Europe (Sweden, later Germany, and the UK) my framing of the US political situation is as follows:

Democrats tend to be authoritarian and pro-centralization of power.

Republicans tend to be anti-authoritarian and pro-decentralization.

Both major parties have a long history of deep corruption. They've essentially colluded to rob the American people blind. Unfortunately, until these two corrupt institutions get together and decide to eliminate parties from our political process, the American people will have to use the threat of supporting the opposite party to get them to stay even mildly in their lane.

EDIT - The voting swings on this comment are interesting.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by khmmr »

krageon wrote: post #468
khmmr wrote: post #447

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If you're just going to lie, you could at least pick something everyone isn't versed in. As opposed to implying the US has no oppressed minorities, which is by now so well and extensively documented to be the case nobody sane will take you seriously after reading you say it isn't.

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by swiley »

kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

There's a lot of money spent convincing us to hate each other because it's one of the most effective ways to change our behavior.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by nicoffeine »

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #31
nicoffeine wrote: post #23

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If you're planning on a violent assault on others, all those protections disappear. Free speech has well established limitations that are pretty easy to understand.

I don't believe anything I've said contradicts that position.

You keep trying to associate Parler and Gab as supporters of free speech. Parler was shut down because it refused to moderate content that incited violence. Gab's browser extension Dissenter was removed from Google and Firefox for the same reason: unmoderated content that often featured calls to violence.

These platforms are being used by white nationalists and other extremists to normalize their hateful ideology and encourage violence against anyone with different gender orientations, nationality, ethnicity, or religious beliefs.

Gab and Parler have zero interest in free speech as a human right. They want unlimited free speech for acceptable groups (mostly white straight Christians) and no rights for anyone else.

Users on those platforms have posted their intent to hurt and kill others, that content was never moderated, and those users carried out acts of violence. Companies who don't want to be associated with that have disconnected their services ahead of the inevitable legal action to shut the services down.

Literally no one in the US has had their electricity or phone cut off because of a "disagreeable blog post." It's a ridiculous example to bring up in the sea of information about what's going on in those forums.

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Post by jariel »

kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

US animosity (i.e. firings for utterances of a word, lambasting any org. that doesn't meet certain criteria as 'White Supremacist', politicians blatantly lying about the election and running procedural coup attempts, lying on every Tweet) - is not really a left/right thing.

It's mostly raw pathetic populism, incited as much by the press as any other group.

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Post by trentlott »

evgen wrote: post #488
mfer wrote: post #410

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> As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America actually ranges from center-right (Democrats) to far-right (Republicans), Does anyone have a good global breakdown of political ideology? What we call the west (North America, Europe, Australia, etc) is about 20% of the global population. These are the sources I usually see. I’m curious about this stuff globally

OP is radically incorrect regarding where US parties would fit on a global scale. There is actually a lot of good research out available in political science papers based on large-scale surveys conducted over decades that show the US parties to be close to the middle of the right and left respectively. If you removed health care from the equation (given how messed up this is in the US) then the two parties would actu…

> If you removed health care from the equation

Removing a defining characteristic to force data to fit your model surely isn't good science

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Post by timsayshey »

I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by wayoutthere »

gurukhaider wrote: post #489
threatofrain wrote: post #474

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In the US, a majority of GOP voters believe that Democrats stole the election, and that Joe Biden is an illegitimate president. Here is a pollster that is respected by US conservatives: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/ele... Many also believe that patriotic violence is acceptable to protect the legitimacy of democracy. What kind of conversation do you have when people believe their democracy…

Have you already forgot the russia collusion fiasco, and all the "not my president" talk. Heck, even crooked shillary said Trump was illegitimate and now you think this s*it is something new. Of course half of the US won't accept Biden since why would you accept someone who deeply hates you and your values.

Biden doesn’t hate anyone; he’s basically a republican minus the silly cult of personality. His actual political values align with the GOP from a decade ago. Anyone trying to paint him or Harris as “far leftists” is confused at best and probably trying to manipulate you. The far left has no party that represents them; the democrats pay lip service to progressive policy but aren’t willing to spend any political capital to actually do anything about it.

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Post by juanani »

rbanffy wrote: post #514
vinger wrote: post #500

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Any response that begins with at least... should remain in kindergarden. No one is a role model.

While I agree he's far from perfect (at the very least he sanctioned a couple extrajudicial executions and a coup in my home country) he seems to be a loving husband and father, can complete sentences and expose coherent reasoning. He clearly shows signs of a very superior intelligence, never declared bankruptcy (and never bankrupted a casino!) or defrauded investors, nor cheated on every single wife he had (he's sti…

Boy I wish my kindergarden had computers..

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Post by [deleted] »

leereeves wrote: post #280
scrose wrote: post #264

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The Nazis were socialist only in name. I highly suggest reading at least the first book in Richard J. Evans’s trilogy on ‘The third Reich’ if you want your eyes opened to unbiased historical facts. Referring to names to determine the leaning of a political party or even community groups is never a good idea. Look at their policies and what their people are saying.

Absolutely, look into it. Mixed with their tyrannical racial nationalism, you will also find many socialist ideas; here are some examples from the 25 point plan, their early party platform: > We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. > We demand... that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise…

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