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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by feralimal »

zokula wrote: post #277
feralimal wrote: post #183

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I bet you think North Korea is a Democratic Republic as well?

Democrats are democratic in the US, of course.

Oh, I see. Names don't matter if they are inconvenient....

Nazis (a literal shortening of Nationalsozialismus) - no they weren't the left.. 'cos Hitler, and Hitler bad.

Freedom is speech, but not 'hate speech'. (Who defines 'hate speech'?) What is hate speech except for a reason to stop people speaking. These are ideological positions couched as morality. And everyone needs moral busybodies who know it all, to tell them what to do, right?

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - CS Lewis

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by colesantiago »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #351
colesantiago wrote: post #241

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trans women are women. period.

What does that have to do with anything? The link above is a collection of screenshots of incitement of violence happening on twitter. a) Against whom or for what reason that incitement is happening if irrelevant. b) Equating defending a persons right not to receive death threats to supporting their ideology is beyond dangerous.

> What does that have to do with anything?

It's a reminder, more to the point, is it a slur though?

If you are fine with denying someone's existence I am sure you can take whatever is coming to you from very people fighting against you.

> ...incitement of violence

I would disagree with the 'incitement of violence', but to be fair, I don't blame them either, I would have said the same as well.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Mindwipe »

fulafel wrote: post #288
wp381640 wrote: post #224

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> "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". That's not right at all. They both ban adult content and Gab will ban blasphemy. They also frequently remove drug content. They're stricter on banning speech than Twitter and the sites they fled from.

Also there are laws against said content: https://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/state-dept-offi... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_obscenity_law

Gab's censorship of adult content is considerably stricter than obscenity law.

They're not a free speech network, they're just a network where racism is permitted speech and anything they don't like is banned.

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Post by Hitton »

sofixa wrote: post #352
paganel wrote: post #214

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Imagine my surprise when after January 6th I saw more than a few articles praising people for turning in their close relatives for having attended the Capitol protest. I had thought that only happened in Stalinist Russia, i.e. turning in your parents or brothers and sisters to the State for political motives.

It would be for political motives if the stage would somehow reward you, like bumping you up in the list for villas or fancy cars, or just having "good person, rats on their family" in your file for later. Denouncing crimes, especially crimes some people consider to be among the worst possible, against democracy, even when committed by close family members, is purely a matter of personal choice and conscience.

I think paganei referred to story of Pavlik Morozov and similar ones. You can look it up.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Mindwipe »

jb775 wrote: post #208
mikepost001 wrote: post #17

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"you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other mode“ For a non-American, could you explain how this is far right? Sounds pretty liberal.

The real reason is that American tech company execs and most American tech workers are leftists, and leftists try to censor and ignore any political opinion they disagree with (rather than discuss, etc). Since free speech platforms don't censor any content, leftists naturally hate them...and they'll do anything in their power to slow them down. Rather than acknowledge this, they make themselves feel better by claimin…

> Since free speech platforms don't censor any content, leftists naturally hate them...and they'll do anything in their power to slow them down. Rather than acknowledge this, they make themselves feel better by claiming any non-censoring platform is "hosting far right terrorists".

Parler and Gab certainly aren't free speech platforms, so curious what you're referring to here.

Usenet is a free speech platform to some extent, and nobody gives a shit. Parler and Gab censor lots (and lots and lots) of content, far more than legally required, they just leave racism, homophobia, transphobia and incitements to violence up specifically.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by pessimizer »

motogpjimbo wrote: post #294
wp381640 wrote: post #242

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Complete nonsense false equivalence. Gab is _dominated_ by far-right racist content and conspiracy theories. My mum uses Twitter and doesn't see a single far-left opinion, 99% of the content on Twitter is that way. You're comparing an entire polluted pool that is unfit to swim in with a single floating turd in the ocean.

Really? It literally isn't possible to look at the "trending" panel in Twitter without seeing far-left talking points. For example, today's trending topics include the "cancellation" of Dr Seuss (with many tweets giving examples of why he should be cancelled in the author's opinion) and the use of the words "latinx" and "womxn" to avoid offending people by using gendered language.

> It literally isn't possible to look at the "trending" panel in Twitter without seeing far-left talking points.

You've gone from complaining that twitter is consumed by the left to complaining that the left is allowed on twitter at all.

> For example, today's trending topics include the "cancellation" of Dr Seuss (with many tweets giving examples of why he should be cancelled in the author's opinion) and the use of the words "latinx" and "womxn" to avoid offending people by using gendered language.

Right-wingers post about that stuff 10:1 compared to anyone on the left. You're posting about it now.

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Post by tor11 »

cies wrote: post #273
wp381640 wrote: post #224

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> "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". That's not right at all. They both ban adult content and Gab will ban blasphemy. They also frequently remove drug content. They're stricter on banning speech than Twitter and the sites they fled from.

> you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US [or frowned upon by what we* believe God would frown upon] without fear of being banned or other moderation it's not censorship when you like it! *) we = right leaning americans

this is almost correct.

probably correct that they censor based on conservative opinions. not correct that right leaning americans are conservative. all conservatives are right leaning tho. not the other way around.

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Post by piva00 »

throwawei369 wrote: post #331
o_p wrote: post #285

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The free speech of facsists shouldnt be protected, Im glad there are hackers doing the right thing

Last I checked it's not illegal to be a fascist. Hacking computer systems and stealing data however is illegal. Whether this is right or wrong is debatable. Free speech shouldn't be.

Where did you check though? Because there are multiple places on Earth where it is actually illegal to promote fascist rhetoric and talking points.

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Post by croon »

khmmr wrote: post #360
_r0fz wrote: post #271

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> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

As a European from a country with actual experience with various totalitarian regimes, based on current actions in US like restricting free speech, banning books, enforcing ideology through propaganda and forced "reeducation" courses for those whose beliefs are considered "wrong", "positive" discrimination based on racial features etc, I'm more inclined to think that you are not hating the nazis, you are the nazis. A…

As another European, I completely disagree.

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Post by fenderbluesjr »

leereeves wrote: post #280
scrose wrote: post #264

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The Nazis were socialist only in name. I highly suggest reading at least the first book in Richard J. Evans’s trilogy on ‘The third Reich’ if you want your eyes opened to unbiased historical facts. Referring to names to determine the leaning of a political party or even community groups is never a good idea. Look at their policies and what their people are saying.

Absolutely, look into it. Mixed with their tyrannical racial nationalism, you will also find many socialist ideas; here are some examples from the 25 point plan, their early party platform: > We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. > We demand... that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise…

It's hard to argue against this, that really is the 25 point program of the Nazis. However, I think it is generally understood that Hitler's entrance into the National Socialists marked a deviation from Socialist ideas. My understanding was that there were literally two factions, one which took the socialist aspects seriously and one which had no interest in socialist principles. The socialist faction had people like Gregor Strasser as figureheads and they got routed out as part of the night of the long knives.

Much of the Big Business that invested in the Nazi party were tentative at first because of socialist name and were convinced by Hitler et al that it was in name only..

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