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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by pii »

neilsense wrote: post #293
o_p wrote: post #285

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The free speech of facsists shouldnt be protected, Im glad there are hackers doing the right thing

"fascist" is such an easy word to use without really knowing what it means, slowly degrading its power.

Definition of fascism

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Hitton »

Draken93 wrote: post #317
throwaway3699 wrote: post #192

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Hundreds. Stalin. Hitler. Mao. The list of genocides is longer than my arm.

As a german, I can definitly tell you that Hitler was not left wing. There is no overlap in the political views at all. (Something I can not say about germany's far right.)

In that case, as a German expert here, can you correct leereeves' comment, please? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26313411

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Krisando »

pii wrote: post #356
sgtnoodle wrote: post #300

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You aren't coming across as genuine, though. Textual communication loses a lot of subtlety, but you figuratively started screaming mid-sentence. Is it fair to assume that people in the past have treated you like a dangerous person? Were you screaming at them? Were you trying to shame them into condemning something, thus forcing them to either submit themselves to you, or seemingly be implicated as the terrible thing…

Hey, I'm willing to have that discussion, sure. I am accepting the challenge to accept the rules of engagement you dictated. Are you willing to accept the challenge of accepting the rules of engagement I put forth - Acknowledge that neo-nazis are a problem, briefly state why? --- I think the GME stuff is a bit nuts, personally. I found the whole thing entertaining, but I find it hard to believe that most participants…

> I do think it's useful to have the data there to show how much the platform is for hate and organizing around hate.

I think for a proper useful evaluation, we equally need to see a similar full dump from other platforms like Facebook, Twitter etc. who are the standard when it comes to social media.

I am personally not too convinced the content is that different, but rather some platforms just have more diverse political allegiances.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by throwawei369 »

woutr_be wrote: post #342
throw_away892 wrote: post #310

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Except I (throwawei) had to login to another account (this one) to reply you as the downvotes triggered some soft ban limit on the account from replying/commenting. So much for free speech... I would post photos holding today's newspaper to prove ownership of both accounts. Probably not worth the trouble anyway

You got banned because some automated system might’ve concluded you were a bot or spam account. You didn’t get banned because of the context of your speech. (At least not to my knowledge)

Oh. How convenient this automated system concluded I was a bot right immediately after the above comment received downvotes...

I checked and there's no mention anywhere on HN guidelines about bans/limitations.

This info should be made available to users.

Anyway maybe am asking too much from HN....

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Post by nailer »

ggggtez wrote: post #258
dehrmann wrote: post #190

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I think we're still in gray area around speech restrictions. What actually worries me is the glee people are taking in it. Yes, maybe a particular case did cross the line and incited violence, but it's a something something very serious and scary, not something to celebrate.

I think the gray area is why the far right thinks that "free speech" means "free-from-consequences speech". They have their free speech already. They go on various platforms, and say whatever they want until people get mad and private companies make a money-based decision to ban them. According to the libertarian view of the world: this is all working exactly as intended. Everyone in the system is making a private de…

> They go on various platforms, and say whatever they want until people get mad and private companies make a money-based decision to ban them.

The far right is general taken to mean ultra nationalists that attack minority groups. Every major social network has hate speech in their terms of service, and very few people complaining about censorship are complaining about enforcement of rules against actual hate speech.

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Post by user-the-name »

pron wrote: post #313
toomim wrote: post #252

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Indeed, liberals are now commonly being mis-labeled as "far-right" in America. The left has become intolerant of conservative views, and labels anything conservative as "far-right". Liberals tend to entertain views across the spectrum, and thus are labeled as "far-right" by many people in the left.

Are conservative views -- low taxes, low regulation, strong military, opposition to abortion, opposition to gay marriage -- banned on Twitter? Let's be honest, we're talking about racism and anti-democracy, and if that's not far-right, what is?

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/105039166355267174...

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Post by user-the-name »

jb775 wrote: post #208
mikepost001 wrote: post #17

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"you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other mode“ For a non-American, could you explain how this is far right? Sounds pretty liberal.

The real reason is that American tech company execs and most American tech workers are leftists, and leftists try to censor and ignore any political opinion they disagree with (rather than discuss, etc). Since free speech platforms don't censor any content, leftists naturally hate them...and they'll do anything in their power to slow them down. Rather than acknowledge this, they make themselves feel better by claimin…

Absolute rubbish. American tech company execs are nowhere near leftists. They tend to go out of their way to suck up to the right wing.

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Post by colesantiago »

jl6 wrote: post #316
colesantiago wrote: post #295

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I wince at this statement. There is no need to be a "successful thinker" on something that should be common sense. It's OK that you don't want to admit your transphobia and instead continue to drop a viewpoint which trans women and people have been fighting against, but at least be honest.

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> Where do you think reasonable viewpoints come from if not from critical thinking?

Yeah, I don't think excluding people by saying trans women are not women is a reasonable viewpoint and it is also exhausting for trans people to push back against these t*rfs.

I would even go far to say the fact of begin to 'critical think' in this space of someone's existence is extremely harmful.

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Post by Krisando »

danShumway wrote: post #49
oceanplexian wrote: post #45

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From experience I would recommend meeting and getting to know people politically from different ends of the spectrum. Not every conservative is anti-LGBTQ, nor do they agree with nationalizing the media, nor agree with intervention in public education, etc.. Net Neutrality is an issue I’m not a fan of but my opinion is not because the current system isn’t broken, but because I’m not sure government intervention would…

I do know Conservatives who I would consider to be pro-free-speech. They're just not the people on Gab. My criticism here is that in many cases, literally the same people that I see talking about how Net Neutrality might be problematic are advocating for concepts like reintroducing a Fairness Doctrine, for imposing massive regulations on what Facebook can and can't censor. At some point it's OK to acknowledge those c…

> I'm also not going to pretend that Gab has ever been a good faith actor in that conversation.

It really hasn't, and in my opinion, neither has any other social media platform.

> My frustration here was a response to a comment arguing that criticism of Gab as a platform was a sign that Americans overall no longer care about free speech.

Polarising the issues and gaslighting is the norm today.

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Post by user-the-name »

mikepost001 wrote: post #17
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

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Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…

"you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other mode“ For a non-American, could you explain how this is far right? Sounds pretty liberal.

I mean, it's a lie, to start with. They are happy to censor anything they don't like, far more than most platforms.
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