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National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence's Final Report

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Re: National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence's Final Report

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Post by neolog »

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #40
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can latex produce this level - I have only ever got to the basic level and realised that getting something at the "simple MS Office" level is a vast climb. Any templates that are beyond "maths paper in arxiv" level I should look again at?

It can but I'm not sure the effort is really worth it. I went through a period of my life where I was using LaTeX for literally every document I produced. Presentations, all kinds of charts and cheatsheets with diagrams and illustrations through TikZ. They looked beautiful in the end but nobody who consumes them appreciates the massive effort. People assume you are just slightly better at Word rather than really good…

I learned a lot about certain tools that got outmoded within a few years.

I would like to have a way to think about when "learn this one tool and use it forever" is appropriate.

Maybe investment in certain kinds of tools pays off more.

Re: National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence's Final Report

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Post by scoopertrooper »

buildbot wrote: post #33
Animats wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is a concern just how dependent the entire world is on TSMC. "The best human operator cannot defend against multiple machines making thousands of maneuvers per second potentially moving at hypersonic speeds and orchestrated by AI across domains." Attacks by drone swarms are already here. The first one was Syria vs. Russia in 2018.[1] There was an attack on Saudi oil facilities in 2019.[2] Much of this has l…

I mean it’s not like intel and their fans are utterly worthless, they may not be on par with TSMC 5nm yet, but in the end given a strong strategic need, I don’t think we’d be without advanced chips for very long if TSMC is overtaken by China. There’s also the fact that a war between China and Taiwan is almost certainly going to go hot with the USA too, possibly leading to nuclear exchanges… It’s much more likely that…

Also worth noting that TSMC is about to build an 5nm fab in America.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timbajarin/2021/02/16/why-tsmcs...

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Post by varjag »

0x426577617265 wrote: post #11
l33t2327 wrote: post #8

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Are you suggesting they are not?

I'm not sure how you could come to that conclusion based on my questions. China's place on the world stage is largely dependent on having customers. If there is no where for them to sell their manufactured goods, then they are not in a position of power.

You are making a common mistake of assuming rational behavior of a nation when it is controlled by consolidated power of one person. Their agenda may be driven by grandeur, or miscalculated attempt to eschew local optimum for global, or personal phobias and aspirations.

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Post by rustypython »

Could someone please help me understand why chip manufacturing is so hard? Like why hasn't China already figured out how to do it? It's obviously a huge strategic priority for them, yet it seems like they don't have the requisite expertise to do it themselves. Other bleeding edge tech they are fully on top of (the software side of AI for example). Why is that?

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Post by T-A »

paganel wrote: post #38
buildbot wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it’s not like intel and their fans are utterly worthless, they may not be on par with TSMC 5nm yet, but in the end given a strong strategic need, I don’t think we’d be without advanced chips for very long if TSMC is overtaken by China. There’s also the fact that a war between China and Taiwan is almost certainly going to go hot with the USA too, possibly leading to nuclear exchanges… It’s much more likely that…

> There’s also the fact that a war between China and Taiwan is almost certainly going to go hot with the USA too, possibly leading to nuclear exchanges… There was an article in The Economist a couple of weeks ago saying that that may no longer be the case, I mean the US automatically siding with Taiwan in case of China's aggression. Take that as you will, I looked at it as an establishment mouthpiece airing valid con…

This, I guess:

https://www.economist.com/china/2021/02/20/china-faces-fatef...

Seems to me it's concerned about "America’s ability to deter an invasion over Taiwan", not about it "showing resolve when talking about China and Taiwan".

Re: National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence's Final Report

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Post by stanislavb »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #2

At 756 pages, this looks to be longer than many textbooks. > Microelectronics power all AI, and the United States no longer manufactures the world’s most sophisticated chips. We do not want to overstate the precariousness of our position, but given that the vast majority of cutting-edge chips are produced at a single plant separated by just 110 miles of water from our principal strategic competitor, we must reevaluat…

This

Re: National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence's Final Report

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Post by eqvinox »

Heh, I read the title as "(National Security Commission) on (Artificial Intelligence's Final Report)" and was very confused, only when I looked at the domain name I realized it was "(National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence)'s (Final Report)" ...

Re: National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence's Final Report

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Post by d110af5ccf »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #37
d110af5ccf wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From experience, Microsoft Office (Word plus PowerPoint for diagrams) is capable of doing approximately all of what you see there. I'm not sure what the current state of LibreOffice is when it comes to advanced typesetting, but I expect it could easily do everything in that report. LaTeX is in a class of it's own, practically the space shuttle compared to a Cessna. Unfortunately, the learning curve is a seemingly end…

Can latex produce this level - I have only ever got to the basic level and realised that getting something at the "simple MS Office" level is a vast climb. Any templates that are beyond "maths paper in arxiv" level I should look again at?

> Can latex produce this level

Yes. I was quite serious about the space shuttle analogy.

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/158668

It can be quite a bit of work configuring custom templates though and any one off deviations are likely to require significant effort as well. There are specific use cases (for example publications with lots of mathematical notation, or the periodic regeneration of tables and charts by a small script) where it can be quite useful.

Most people would probably be better served by a standard office software suite though. Even something as simple as Google Docs is sufficient for the vast majority of documents.

(Seriously though, TeX & Co can do just about anything. https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/159445 https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/95783)

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Post by sneak »

tomerico wrote: post #36
buildbot wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it’s not like intel and their fans are utterly worthless, they may not be on par with TSMC 5nm yet, but in the end given a strong strategic need, I don’t think we’d be without advanced chips for very long if TSMC is overtaken by China. There’s also the fact that a war between China and Taiwan is almost certainly going to go hot with the USA too, possibly leading to nuclear exchanges… It’s much more likely that…

I wonder how many countries today are not in war simply because of fear of retaliation from the USA.

Say what you (or Kubrick) will about mutually assured destruction, it sure does seem to have prevented a lot of violence, despite also seeming totally insane.
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