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WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by kyriakos »

throwaway8581 wrote: post #26

I’m going to repost this from the Mac thread: What exactly is the point of sudo/UAC these days of single-user machines? I think https://xkcd.com/1200 put it well. Anything running as an unelevated user account can access my browser sessions where it can steal my passwords, emails, other other private info. It can turn on my microphone and camera. It can read all of my documents. Those are the things I care about prot…

Even a single user machine is really not single user because your applications are also users on your machine and being Internet connected/updated you better have control over what they can do.

Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by petepete »

kiwijamo wrote: post #29
zeusk wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean I have to use iwconfig to fix my network? No, I just want to connect to a network. I don't want to write scripts for every device to suspend and resume.

It's been years since that was necessary. All major distros do this sort of thing automatically now with GUI configuration tools as a first class option. Even on bare bones distros like Debian.

Setting up my laptop with Fedora is a more straightforward job than doing the same task with Windows 10. Everything worked, including the fingerprint reader - no manual install of anything required.

Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by [deleted] »

kiwijamo wrote: post #29
zeusk wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean I have to use iwconfig to fix my network? No, I just want to connect to a network. I don't want to write scripts for every device to suspend and resume.

It's been years since that was necessary. All major distros do this sort of thing automatically now with GUI configuration tools as a first class option. Even on bare bones distros like Debian.

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Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by eneville »

throwaway8581 wrote: post #26

I’m going to repost this from the Mac thread: What exactly is the point of sudo/UAC these days of single-user machines? I think https://xkcd.com/1200 put it well. Anything running as an unelevated user account can access my browser sessions where it can steal my passwords, emails, other other private info. It can turn on my microphone and camera. It can read all of my documents. Those are the things I care about prot…

Hello, author of please (https://gitlab.com/edneville/please) here, where I've taken a different approach to make permitting grnular things simple.

Permiting everything is no different really to browsing the web as root.

Permitting granular things in sudo and doas isn't easy.

For what it is worth, many of the systems I work on on have many more than just one user and I am sure that other people work on bigger environments too. When you have multiple users, you run the risk of delegating more access than you should and thus compromise content, hence why I think access should simple!

Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by eneville »

JoBrad wrote: post #19
slondr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "individual developer" you're talking about is a former Microsoft employee

So Microsoft’s plan to extend Linux includes getting former employees to do it?

Wouldn't anyone with a pension or shares in a company want it to succeed?

Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by oblio »

29athrowaway wrote: post #12
alexdumitru wrote: post #4

This looks great. I hate Linux desktop and Windows server, so WSL has been a blessing for me.

I hate the Windows desktop (and server). Right now I am using XFCE. Much faster than Windows, lower memory footprint and I got it to look similar to macOS to some extent. Using Windows compared to using XFCE is like pulling a stubborn donkey. No, I don't want to update, I don't want a voice assistant, I don't want absurd UIs, I don't want telemetry, I just want a goddamn menu and desktop icons.

Well, what can I say, good for you :-)

>No, I don't want to update

Why don't you want to update? You really should.

> I don't want a voice assistant

It takes less than 5 minutes to disable and hide it.

> I don't want absurd UIs

How do you define absurd UIs? Do you think 1 billion people using Windows are all absurd? If so, that's highly arrogant of you.

> I don't want telemetry

It's a bit annoying and philosophically not a great thing, but you can disable 99% of their telemetry in about 15 minutes.

> I just want a goddamn menu and desktop icons

Windows offers this and more.

I've used Xfce for a long time, it's nice. But the whole "it's faster and lower memory footprint" doesn't matter much these days, especially since Windows is really well optimized now. How many people are using Xfce on systems with 1GB of RAM anymore? Plus Windows obviously offers much more than just Xfce and Xfce is also under-resourced, developer-wise, and on the brink of becoming abandonware. Linux desktops really are not in a good place today.

Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by kbumsik »

alexdumitru wrote: post #4

This looks great. I hate Linux desktop and Windows server, so WSL has been a blessing for me.

Glad to see I am not the only one. Windows desktop also has a big plus: native RDP is unparalleled compared to VNC or any other Linux remote desktop.

Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by franga2000 »

kbumsik wrote: post #37
alexdumitru wrote: post #4

This looks great. I hate Linux desktop and Windows server, so WSL has been a blessing for me.

Glad to see I am not the only one. Windows desktop also has a big plus: native RDP is unparalleled compared to VNC or any other Linux remote desktop.

It's true that VNC is a disaster, but RDP still feels miles behind thrid-party tech like TeamViewer. And doesn't MSFT stil cripple RDP on Home editions?

Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by fock »

kiwijamo wrote: post #30
throwaway8581 wrote: post #26

I’m going to repost this from the Mac thread: What exactly is the point of sudo/UAC these days of single-user machines? I think https://xkcd.com/1200 put it well. Anything running as an unelevated user account can access my browser sessions where it can steal my passwords, emails, other other private info. It can turn on my microphone and camera. It can read all of my documents. Those are the things I care about prot…

Have you forgotten what life was like before windows got UAC? Just because a machine is single user doesn't mean it's a good idea for all processes to run as root/Admin.

back then I remember that people generally had a single computer, used by the whole family! It's definitely not good for kids to trivially install a banking trojan when downloading stuff. Nowadays: all my data belongs to a single user, I am the only user on 5 machines. The only thing for which root is good, is to secure fw updating and deleting ZFS/BTRFS-snapshots. Unfortunately there's still setuid-binaried weakening this security model.

Re: WSL Hello Sudo: Face Recognition of Windows Hello on Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by csande17 »

oblio wrote: post #36
29athrowaway wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate the Windows desktop (and server). Right now I am using XFCE. Much faster than Windows, lower memory footprint and I got it to look similar to macOS to some extent. Using Windows compared to using XFCE is like pulling a stubborn donkey. No, I don't want to update, I don't want a voice assistant, I don't want absurd UIs, I don't want telemetry, I just want a goddamn menu and desktop icons.

Well, what can I say, good for you :-) >No, I don't want to update Why don't you want to update? You really should. > I don't want a voice assistant It takes less than 5 minutes to disable and hide it. > I don't want absurd UIs How do you define absurd UIs? Do you think 1 billion people using Windows are all absurd? If so, that's highly arrogant of you. > I don't want telemetry It's a bit annoying and philosophically…

> How do you define absurd UIs? Do you think 1 billion people using Windows are all absurd? If so, that's highly arrogant of you.

Most of those 1 billion people didn't choose Windows 10 because they looked at it and thought, "yeah, this user interface is so much better than Windows 7". Most of those people didn't look at the latest update to Windows 10 and think, "yeah, these changes to the UI are major improvements, my life will be so much easier than on the previous version of Windows 10".

For most of the non-programmers I know, it's more of a boiling-frog situation. Microsoft blackmails them into "upgrading" using security patches, and every "upgrade" makes the UI less intuitive, slower to use, or worse in some other way.

Just last month, for example, I got a call from my parents because the Photos app was no longer allowing them to save an edited copy of a photo to a different folder. Turns out, yeah, you just couldn't do that anymore. It's absurd, but my parents certainly aren't the absurd ones.

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