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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by whytaka »

leesalminen wrote: post #6
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…

> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

Everyone supports free speech. Everyone also supports moderation. All liberty comes with moderation else we have chaos.

Imagine someone talking loudly outside your window all night. You’d have laws made about public disturbances. Would you then be a freedom hating communist? I don’t know about that.

Now if you also have a forum where you’d like to have more family friendly conversations. Would you welcome the Nazi hatemongerer? I would think you’d moderate them out.

Imagine you have a church, and an atheist disturbs your mass by shrieking god doesn’t exist. Would you escort them out?

This is so basic to me that I can’t believe people have a hard time grasping something so obvious. I can’t help but think they are being disingenuous.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Spivak »

leesalminen wrote: post #6
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…

> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

I will defend to the death someone’s right to hold and speak any beliefs, ideas, or opinions no matter how controversial or unorthodox.

What I will not defend is someone who knowingly speaks untruths or uses language as a weapon with the intent to hurt others. Just because it uses mouth sounds doesn’t make something speech.

If you think homosexuals are an abomination and an affront to god then you’re free to believe that and tell everyone you know. But that doesn’t mean you should be allowed to shout f*g at a gay person on the street. Only the former is speech, the latter is hate.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by throwawaysea »

baix777 wrote: post #66
leesalminen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

"Break into Congress and kill the swamp creatures". This is a quote from Parler, and this is known as incitement, which is often illegal. The first amendment does not apply to child porn for obvious reasons, but it also doesn't apply to threats of violence, which isn't so obvious to everyone. To make this obvious, this is not a free speech issue.

The number of messages on Parler that had content like that was probably very limited. You’re cherry picking one message on a platform with double digit millions of users to paint a certain picture. But let’s not forget about all the violence in BLM riots over the last year, much of which was organized and popularized on social media platforms like Twitter or Facebook, who all get a pass.

And yes it is a free speech issue when several companies that have left leaning cultures and leaders take concurrent actions to block a right leaning platform that mostly carries fully legal speech.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by EdwardDiego »

_coveredInBees wrote: post #22
UncleMeat wrote: post #18

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Because the people there are far right. When you go to a website and the first thing you see is calls to murder jewish people and the n-word repeated ad nauseam, all but the far right decide to just leave. The end result is that gab/parler/etc don't become places where all speech exists but instead places where extreme racism, homophobia, and sexism suck the oxygen away from everything else.

And ironically enough, Parler, the bastion of "free speech" was happily banning people who were critical of right wingers or did not participate in the right-wing group think on their network. After rallying against liberals being "snowflakes" and needing "safe-spaces", Parler ironically enough ended up being just that for the extreme right.

Much the same as /r/conservative on Reddit.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by bastawhiz »

errantmind wrote: post #27
uniqueid wrote: post #15

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Gab is a site that caters to hate groups. I guess the targets of their hatred take it personally. That seems rational to me.

Can you provide some evidence they catered to hate groups? It was my understanding they attracted hate groups due to their policy of 'free speech', but did not specifically cater to them

Sorry, what does this even mean? What does it mean to "cater to hate groups" beyond promising them safe harbor? Do you think they have a "Hate" button instead of a Like button? A search engine for minorities to dox? Lynch mob organizing features? I really don't know how much more catered you can get beyond saying "we're the site you want to use, but without the pesky rules." Trying to dissect the semantics here is pedantry beyond my comprehension.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by throwawaysea »

UncleMeat wrote: post #18
mikepost001 wrote: post #17

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"you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other mode“ For a non-American, could you explain how this is far right? Sounds pretty liberal.

Because the people there are far right. When you go to a website and the first thing you see is calls to murder jewish people and the n-word repeated ad nauseam, all but the far right decide to just leave. The end result is that gab/parler/etc don't become places where all speech exists but instead places where extreme racism, homophobia, and sexism suck the oxygen away from everything else.

This is a false depiction. I haven’t used Parler much but checked it out a few times and did not encounter a single piece of content advocating violence, talking about Jewish people, using the n word, or partaking in any kind of racism. Your claim that these are repeated ad nauseum suggests you never actually visited any of these sites and are just criticizing them without basis.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Turing_Machine »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #54
mint2 wrote: post #8

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why do so many people confusedly assume free speech means forcing printers to print neo-nazi propaganda. Whatever happened to freedom of association? Some businesses and people don’t want to associate with neonazis and don’t want to be known as the company that helps neonazis. Why do people who espouse free speech want to take away freedom to choose who one associates with?

Hmm... so in your opinion, back in the days of the Hollywood blacklist, when Louis B. Mayer decided that he wasn't going to buy any more screenplays from communists (or anyone who even had friends who were communists), that was perfectly okay? "Freedom of association", right? The truly bizarre thing about the "woke" movement is that they seem to have absolutely no conception that the stuff they're doing to others can…

Touched a nerve, didn't it?

You might be surprised at how fast this kind of thing can turn around.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

akyu wrote: post #9

Ratting people out to the government is hip now... crazy times.

In what convoluted mistreatment of facts and/or logic and/or morality is it either new or unexpected to, if one is capable of it, support law enforcement in the prosecution of terrorists?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by l33t2327 »

mushbino wrote: post #62
leesalminen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

"Free speech" in these instances means bigotry and calls to violence. Also, we're talking about private businesses here, you can't be that naive.

Private businesses used to occasionally support free speech as a concept.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by dave_sullivan »

errantmind wrote: post #27
uniqueid wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gab is a site that caters to hate groups. I guess the targets of their hatred take it personally. That seems rational to me.

Can you provide some evidence they catered to hate groups? It was my understanding they attracted hate groups due to their policy of 'free speech', but did not specifically cater to them

Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views

Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes?

Con: LOL no...no not those views

Me: So....deregulation?

Con: Haha no not those views either

Me: Which views, exactly?

Con: Oh, you know the ones

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