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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by joe_the_user »

leesalminen wrote: post #6
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…

> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

America once had a very finite number of publishers who were the primary gate keepers for what published. America suppressed the works of Wilhelm Reich and Henry Miller. America once arrested members of the IWW for engaging in street corner soapbox speak-outs [1]. America engaged in anti-socialist repression on a fairly large scale.[2] It's common to reference an imaginary free speech fundamentalist era somewhere in the US past but, sorry, it's not there.

And, of course, the extreme right only pretend to be true free speech fundamentalists - Note how the dropped Milo Yiannopoulos when his speech offended them.

[1] https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/industrial-workers... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Raids

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by mushbino »

leesalminen wrote: post #6
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…

> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

"Free speech" in these instances means bigotry and calls to violence. Also, we're talking about private businesses here, you can't be that naive.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by pii »

sgtnoodle wrote: post #48
pii wrote: post #38

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"friends on the left opposed to free speech" is your willful misunderstanding of the issue

It seems like there's plenty of "willful misunderstanding" from folk on both sides of the political spectrum. It seems like two sides of the same coin to me, and it doesn't really matter too much because ultimately the carnival game is rigged to eat the coin regardless. Whether you're a neo-nazi or a marxist-commie, we're all slightly awkward but reasonable nerds here right? I think most sane people can agree that da…

Genuinely, I want to find common ground with people who don't say anyone who isn't a neo-nazi is ALL THE WAY LEFT AND A DANGEROUS PERSON

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by pii »

lom888 wrote: post #46
pii wrote: post #38

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"friends on the left opposed to free speech" is your willful misunderstanding of the issue

These friends overtly say that free speech should be limited, in those exact terms. Not some speech, "free speech". Please let me know how you perceive me to be misunderstanding them willfully.

I think you might want to listen to them more closely, I can't answer on their behalf.

If, by chance, they're anything like me, then I agree that there's giant categories of prohibited speech that should remain so. Lying about medicine, slander, libel, incitement to violence to name a few.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Turing_Machine »

meowster wrote: post #19
NotChina wrote: post #12

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Who down votes these observations?

It feels like there a more downvotes these days based on political ideologies instead of low-quality comments.

Personally, I consider pro-censorship comments to be low-quality.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by baix777 »

leesalminen wrote: post #6
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…

> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

"Break into Congress and kill the swamp creatures". This is a quote from Parler, and this is known as incitement, which is often illegal. The first amendment does not apply to child porn for obvious reasons, but it also doesn't apply to threats of violence, which isn't so obvious to everyone.

To make this obvious, this is not a free speech issue.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by jorts »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #4
ignoranceprior wrote: post #3

Can someone explain the difference between Gab and Parler to someone unfamiliar with both?

Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…

Gab and Parler basically just attracted extremist views which is why you see them being portrayed like that. Anything less than that is typically accepted or debated by more left leaning circles. Democrats cover a wide spectrum of society, from the far left to folks considered what republicans used to be 20 years ago in terms of the policies supported.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by throwawaysea »

Isn’t DDoSecrets basically working with the hackers by hosting/evangelizing/distributing their illegally acquired data? It’s also amazing to me that all those involved with it and the prior Parler hack are allowed to remain on Twitter without even a label on hacked materials, let alone a ban for clear illegal activity. Double standards.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by throwaway33432 »

mint2 wrote: post #8
leesalminen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

why do so many people confusedly assume free speech means forcing printers to print neo-nazi propaganda. Whatever happened to freedom of association? Some businesses and people don’t want to associate with neonazis and don’t want to be known as the company that helps neonazis. Why do people who espouse free speech want to take away freedom to choose who one associates with?

freedom of association isn't really a thing anymore; if one were to promote that maxim, a large portion of the civil rights laws, anti-discrimination laws, etc. just become unenforceable.

see stuff akin to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora...

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by cambalache »

covermydonkey wrote: post #57
leesalminen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

As a South African all of this is fascinating. Especially the shift of where the "center" is. It seemed every American not on the left is called "far right" from where I am sitting. Half a dozen of my friends have moved to the States and a few have scolded me for my understanding saying that plenty of centrists are labeled far right. I'm beginning to glaze over the label now. It doesn't hold any sway for me because i…

Because the American mainstream left became bananas. The Democratic and Republican parties would still be right-wing/conservative all across the world except in America, but the woke/sjw/faang crowd is socially hard-left also all across the world (not in economics or international politics, they are very conservative there,even hawkish). So, for example, me, a very leftist third world person has now more in common with your average mid-westerner republican than with a coastal google employee.
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