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Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring out of 'fear'

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Re: Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring out of 'fear'

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Normal feedback is down votes and replies. Cancel culture is messaging dang and asking him to ban you.

> Cancel culture is messaging dang and asking him to ban you. And your claim is that this sort of thing just started happening in the last decade or two?

Yeah, because dang wasn't a HN moderator before that.

Re: Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring out of 'fear'

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> Cancel culture is messaging dang and asking him to ban you. And your claim is that this sort of thing just started happening in the last decade or two?

Yeah, because dang wasn't a HN moderator before that.

I had it at about 50/50 odds I would get this reply

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On one hand I worry about this power being abused, but it's hard for me to side with the people being cancelled because they're so repugnant. It is hard to stand up for the rights of the bigots, the white supremacists, the science deniers, the propagandists, and the misogynists. People who spent decades denying other people access and are now finding the shoe on the other foot. Can we find some good examples of peopl…

Someone being cancelled who shouldn't have been: Monica Lewinsky.

She's been cancelled? She has a million Twitter followers https://twitter.com/MonicaLewinsky and 150k on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/MonicaLewinsky/

I've found articles about her speaking on college campuses with her anti-bullying campaign. I've not found anything about her being cut off from platforms yet. Can you post a link?

Re: Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring out of 'fear'

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Someone being cancelled who shouldn't have been: Monica Lewinsky.

She's been cancelled? She has a million Twitter followers https://twitter.com/MonicaLewinsky and 150k on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/MonicaLewinsky/ I've found articles about her speaking on college campuses with her anti-bullying campaign. I've not found anything about her being cut off from platforms yet. Can you post a link?

In her videos, etc, she talks about how she couldn't get a job because she's Monica Lewinsky, the lady that the president had an affair with in the 90s. It's been nearly 30 years.

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It's you who's moving the goal posts. Your claim is that firing someone is the only thing you can do to damage their career, which is highly incorrect. Regardless, the point I'm making is that leftists must self-censor (just like the right wing people in the article) because those in power are anti-left neo-liberals.

> It's you who's moving the goal posts. Your claim is that firing someone is the only thing you can do to damage their career, which is highly incorrect. Lol nope. > Regardless, the point I'm making is that leftists must self-censor (just like the right wing people in the article) because those in power are anti-left neo-liberals. Ok, I disagree with your point. I don’t like conservative beliefs, but people with even…

Liberals accuse leftists of working for Putin, being secretly pro-Trump (and therefore subject to all the same canceling as a normal Trump person), they actively blacklist and smear leftists. Ban their social media accounts, dox them, harass them...

Look at what the liberals have done to Tara Reade for instance. There's a group on Twitter called KHive that's dedicated to taking down leftists.

You just don't hear about this stuff as much because again, the neo-liberals control the media and they don't want to show you how much they punch left.

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I wonder if cancelling of really big companies start to happen. Make one misstep in advertising or messaging even in past and then have people attack your partners telling them to stop associating with your brand... I wonder if we ever properly reach that level. And if after a few big attempts social media companies would put stop to that...

It happened to Goya.

Goya's CEO, this weekend, continued to push the lie that Trump was cheated out of the election which directly lead to the 1/6 attacks.

Is boycotting Goya in response to that a bad thing? Should #boycottgoya hashtags on social media be deleted, for example?

Re: Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring out of 'fear'

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Surprising how much press "cancel culture" gets these days as if it's a new thing or as if it's a new thing being pushed on society by the left . We've always had cancel culture. Some might remember the Dixie Chicks. How about the Rachael Ray ad that Dunkin Donuts pulled merely because it looked like an Arab scarf? Jerry Falwell came to prominence entirely based on his pushing of cancel culture. When I lived in North…

The difference now is social media makes it easier for media outlets to publish libel as fact from unverified accusations solely interpreted as fact

Re: Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring out of 'fear'

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There is no era of Western history where unpopular opinions were more acceptable than today. In the past, dissenting opinions voiced loudly were often punished by blacklisting or excommunication or prison or death. Now, you get yelled at on Twitter and some companies won't work with you.

Exactly. I grew up in the Midwest and outside of the city. When I visit home, I pretend to believe in God, lie-by-omission about my bisexuality, stay silent about politics, pretend to say grace at dinner, and go to Church on Sunday mornings. If I didn't, then in many ways I'd not longer be welcome in that social group. Finding a iving-wage job in the local community would certainly be impossible. There are only a few…

We really need a right left coalition of Anti-Cancelling advocates, calling out both close minded rural conservative communities, and close minded liberal communities living on Twitter. Ideally, with those on the right calling out the conservatives and those on the left calling out the liberals.

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Just this past weekend a disabled animator was blacklisted from the industry because an ex-friend objected to their NSFW drawings on a twitter handle (completely separate from their professional handle). The number of death threats were also an immense psychological toll, and a bit more than just "being yelled at" (I am open to the fact there is a fuzzy continuum between the two). Regardless - "some companies won't w…

Are you suggesting that blacklists are a new phenomenon? "cancel culture" has always existed. The only thing that is changing is that who is "cancelled" is no longer chosen by TV producers and news editors (ie, white men), but democratically by self-directed popular discourse. In 2003 the Dixie Chicks said at a show in london, "We don't want this war, we're ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas". I…

It's one thing to get cancelled for writing a song making fun of the president and pissing off a ton of the neoliberal and neocon establishment when you're entertainment superstars who are supposed to know a thing or two about not pissing off the establishment.

It's another thing for some nobody to lose a job as a stock broker because they made a joke about the 3/5ths compromise that was funny enough to go viral on TikTok where it then pissed off some other nobodies and then all the blue checks piled on.

The Dixie chicks were playing with fire and they knew it. Some rando isn't.

Re: Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring out of 'fear'

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| that's an insane dynamic to create in What do you think Twitter would have looked like in 1956 when James Baldwin published Giovanni's Room ? Is the problem "cancel culture" (a nebulous term which means little) or simply the result of giving everyone on earth a place to complain?

Cancel culture is a direct result of giving everyone on earth a place to complain.

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