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Re: The Last Message Sent on AIM

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That's not bad UX. That's a product limitation (a conscious one I might say).

This 'product limitation' makes user experience worse. Actually, it makes it unusable for most users. Whether this limitation is intentional is irrelevant, the UX is still bad.

It’s also not the case that there is such a limitation.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207006

A single contact / conversation can even mix and match.

Re: The Last Message Sent on AIM

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Wouldn’t this be equivalent to someone who inherited six figures in cash and failed to immediately use all of it to purchase Apple shares?

This is the opposite, the big companies closed their messaging platforms because they wanted to shed low performing departments and consolidate, instead of maintaining them and keep attempting to make them florish which would be a form of diversification.

Right. And the analogy also fails because buying Apple shares is as easy as selling them; what makes the destruction of all the original IM platforms so dumb is that it's a one-way move. Once you shut one down, there's no Ctrl-Z.

Re: The Last Message Sent on AIM

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post #56

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I think it's as you said, corporations didn't recognize the economic value of chat platforms back then. I think they were mostly focused on "Web 2.0" stuff so they probably tried putting all of their resources into that. You often see companies axe perfectly good business units just because they have a slightly lower margin or contribution to overall revenue, as they think putting the people from those units into the…

> We can see Google doing this over and over: They actually create a lot of nice products that could be profitable on their own, but since the main Google products are just making much more money per employee it still makes sense for them to axe the small "winning products" and have almost everyone work on the big winners. Even 10 years ago they've been very explicit about this strategy internally. Management talks a…

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Re: The Last Message Sent on AIM

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You will be surprised how many people are indeed aware of Google’s axing policy, if not even consciously. The reality is that so many of them have been burnt by Google. Picasa was an extremely popular photo management platform used by many. Google Play Music was extremely popular. Google Plus was not exactly popular but touched nearly every Google user, was highly promoted, and then disappeared. And then you come to…

> Google Play Music This one irritates me most. GPM was mature and required...what? Minimal maintenance at this point? But no, how about we completely rebuild a music service on top of YouTube, miss a bunch of minor simple features that every streaming service offers (you know, like save current playlist/radio as Playlist) and FORCE every user over to this far inferior service. At least with transitions like MOG->Bea…

> Google Play Music

The perfect music service and discovery engine. Axed for no cause.

I don't like Spotify or Pandora, and I'm filled with seething hatred for Youtube Music. I keep trying to use it, but it's horrible and doesn't play what I want to listen to. How can you design an app that's so bad that it actively does what you don't want?

YouTube Music plays meme videos [1, 2] in my alternative music stream. And anime music I listened to ten years ago in the middle of my EDM. Seriously what the fuck, Google? I never asked to mix my YouTube viewing experience with my music tastes.

For the first time in my life, I've stopped listening to music. I want to go back to managing my own highly curated playlists, but it's too much work to set up.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxp8qPEwSXM

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE

Re: The Last Message Sent on AIM

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post #46

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IM didn't used to be like that because we didn't have clients on our phones. An "online" status meant that someone was sitting at their computer and happy to chat (or they'd have the client closed).

Or you would set your status to "appear offline" From memory AIM/MSN didn't even have offline messaging. If someone was offline, you either waited for them to be online, or you would contact them via email/txt/landline.

AIM eventually got offline messaging; I beleive with AIM 6.0 that launched in late 2006.

Re: The Last Message Sent on AIM

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This is why it's important, as a group, to roll your server. Own the infrastructure of communication and discourse. To utilize open standards for which you or anyone else can create and run their own server, or client. Protocols should also evolve, or have organized successors over time. If you do provide backward compatibility, please do the best reasonable effort at making backward features work.

> Protocols should also evolve... This is why something like Delta Chat is a good thing. Almost everyone has email, so evolving email to include chat is a good thing. Also, it takes chat away from single entities.

> Almost everyone has email

This is certainly not the case. A lot of people whose first and only internet enabled device is a smartphone don't end up creating an email.

Re: The Last Message Sent on AIM

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You will be surprised how many people are indeed aware of Google’s axing policy, if not even consciously. The reality is that so many of them have been burnt by Google. Picasa was an extremely popular photo management platform used by many. Google Play Music was extremely popular. Google Plus was not exactly popular but touched nearly every Google user, was highly promoted, and then disappeared. And then you come to…

> Google Play Music This one irritates me most. GPM was mature and required...what? Minimal maintenance at this point? But no, how about we completely rebuild a music service on top of YouTube, miss a bunch of minor simple features that every streaming service offers (you know, like save current playlist/radio as Playlist) and FORCE every user over to this far inferior service. At least with transitions like MOG->Bea…

Force...

Yeah, I am not going to use the new thing at all. Will go the same way the last new thing did.

Repeat this a few times and users are seeking. I am.

Re: The Last Message Sent on AIM

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This is why it's important, as a group, to roll your server. Own the infrastructure of communication and discourse. To utilize open standards for which you or anyone else can create and run their own server, or client. Protocols should also evolve, or have organized successors over time. If you do provide backward compatibility, please do the best reasonable effort at making backward features work.

I feel like someone stopping maintenance of a private server is way more likely than the most popular chat client at the time shutting down eventually. In your mind, who in 2017 was still using AIM, blissfully unaware of the shutdown, only to be met with an error page and the loss of their friends forever? I'm sure most people are like me... over a decade ago, my AIM friends mostly migrated to text messages (and a fe…

But the server would be less likely to shut down while there are poeple actively invested in it. With a smaller group, the maintainers can be held more accountable.

Re: The Last Message Sent on AIM

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post #167

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> Protocols should also evolve... This is why something like Delta Chat is a good thing. Almost everyone has email, so evolving email to include chat is a good thing. Also, it takes chat away from single entities.

> Almost everyone has email This is certainly not the case. A lot of people whose first and only internet enabled device is a smartphone don't end up creating an email.

Isn’t an email necessary for a smartphone? I know apple requires one and will create it for you if you don’t have it. On Android, do you need a google account with email?
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