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Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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Re: Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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That's not what bankruptcy is? Unless you consider creditors and equity holders "society".

Massive bonuses would have been paid out already while the liability burdened company will need to be bailed out.

The article says nothing about a "bailout".

Re: Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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This is a trend. PG&E in CA started it and now Texas... I guess climate change is risky business after all.

Or you could say that CA and TX are demonstrating that deregulation is a failed strategy. "Vital infrastructure" and "market driven" are rarely a good match.

To say CA is "deregulated" is kind of a bastardization of the term.

Re: Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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Privatize the profits and socialize the losses

That's not what bankruptcy is? Unless you consider creditors and equity holders "society".

Well the electric grid falls in that category of service, like the military where the market is potentially a bad solution. So in this regard. The electric company was able to be negligent to their personal benefit of 1.8 billion dollars of unfunded liability it created. And then they call bankruptcy and that's the end of that chapter.

Re: Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you could say that CA and TX are demonstrating that deregulation is a failed strategy. "Vital infrastructure" and "market driven" are rarely a good match.

To say CA is "deregulated" is kind of a bastardization of the term.

That may be, but what deregulation there has been has almost uniformly been a disaster (see: Enron).

Vital infrastructure, practically by definition, is unprofitable. That's not a good match to profit driven markets.

Re: Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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Elon Musk making the move to Texas specifically to avoid the regulation that would have helped stop this from happening, would be kicking himself right now if he was in any way affected by this or consistent in his beliefs.

Is he against regulation to keep power plants working in winter?

Re: Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privatize the profits and socialize the losses

That's not what bankruptcy is? Unless you consider creditors and equity holders "society".

Lots of companies are literally owned by the public and go bankrupt due to debts to consumers, so it's fair to say "society" in those cases.

Re: Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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Isnt this a common tactic, to declare bankruptcy in face of large liabilities?

That's kind of what bankruptcy is for, overtly. It's not like some kind of clever hack.

I do find it troubling, however, that it’s more often than not used to clear down the ledger of a going concern, and then continue business as usual, same everything, just a new incorporation. You can bet your bottom dollar that they’ll be buying their own assets back on cents on the dollar, reincorporating, putting everyone back in the same positions, and paying some nice fat bonuses out of the capital they’ll be given as part of their dynamic chapter 11 restructure.

I’ve been a creditor on receiverships like this and it’s painful - in my view, if you run a business into the ground, you, your agents, and entities controlled by you or in which you have a substantial interest should be disbarred from operating an enterprise for at least five years. You definitely shouldn’t be permitted to continue in the same enterprise.

Re: Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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Elon Musk making the move to Texas specifically to avoid the regulation that would have helped stop this from happening, would be kicking himself right now if he was in any way affected by this or consistent in his beliefs.

Elon Musk is another Trump in the making.

Only difference is Elon Musk is smart enough not to foot gun himself when he actually asserts his power.

Re: Texas electric firm files for bankruptcy citing $1.8B in claims

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This is a trend. PG&E in CA started it and now Texas... I guess climate change is risky business after all.

Or you could say that CA and TX are demonstrating that deregulation is a failed strategy. "Vital infrastructure" and "market driven" are rarely a good match.

The infrastructure to produce food is pretty vital, but I think it's also mostly market-driven and works well.

I think the issues around power utilities are more to do with a lack of competition, and legislation that creates perverse incentives. (I don't know what the current perverse incentives are, but at least as of 2010, an energy startup founder said[1] that power companies were legislated monopolies that were "restrained to charge a price only up to a certain regulated return on their capital", which meant it was "in the utility’s interest to buy the most capital intensive equipment that the regulatory commission will allow".)

Can you legislate a monopoly and write enough careful regulations to make it do what you want without giving it perverse incentives that will cause some disasters here and there? I doubt this has been solved even in the absence of regulatory capture.

[1] https://daniellefong.com/2010/02/11/how-law-shapes-the-busin...

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