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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by timinghero »

l8again wrote: post #81

I think it is demonstrably proven that Facebook has no qualms about aiding and abetting government campaigns of crushing dissent across the world, despite its claims of "cherishing free speech". Facebook (and Twitter) has been doing the same in India [1]. [1] https://theintercept.com/2021/02/27/india-climate-activists-...

Facebook, like any other entity, is not above the law. Now, you can criticize the law, but not Facebook for simply following it.

Disclaimer: Turkish living abroad since few years. Throwaway account. Upset with some having respect for their _superior_ rule of law only.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by geoduck14 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #29

It's the correct decision (although Facebook likely only cares about its bottom line). the YPG is designated as a terrorist organisation by the Turkish state and it's quite obvious that Turkey will want to exercise sovereignty over its communication channels rather than letting an opposing military force broadcast freely to its citizens. It's not really the job of a private company to undermine nations in this way fo…

I actually agree with you, and FB. The YPG are considered terrorists by Turkey. Their content is no longer available - in Turkey.

Do I wish FB allowed the content? Yeah, kind of, but I don't actually understand if the YPG is a dangerous organization.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by caseysoftware »

"Private company, can do what they want" loses meaning when they're acting on behalf of and in the interests of a given government.

Is there a point where we call that the boundary between government and "private industry" is mostly paperwork and not reality?

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by redis_mlc »

input_sh wrote: post #151
Ahmed90 wrote: post #41

It's an obvious "following the local law" thingy, Facebook doesn't give a s*t, I personally reported 3 posts on different FB pages 1st was a religion extremist guy who says to Iraqi people that they should protest and fight the "other side" of the religion (aka start a new civil war) instead of protesting against the corrupted government. 2nd was a post that was praising the guy who murdered the Danish (Or was he Nor…

I've given up during the time when ISIS regularly posted videos on social media. I've reported a video with a literal beheading about two thirds of the video in, and it didn't go against Facebook's community standards. I guess whichever moderator saw it didn't bother to skip ahead during those like 5-10 seconds they reach their decision in.

Just to explain what's going on ...

> I've given up during the time when ISIS regularly posted videos on social media. I've reported a video with a literal beheading ...

I suggest you consider what the first 2 initials in "ISIS" mean: "IS" means Islamic State, and that's what it is/was, despite what the leftist US MSM media keeps saying.

> I guess whichever moderator saw it

The rumor (reports from ex-Muslims who report similar content) is that the moderators for complaints about Muslim content ... are Muslim apologists, and capital punishment is prescribed in the Koran. According to the moderators, you're the problem, and you're subject to capital punishment for apostasy.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by coffeefirst »

Bombthecat wrote: post #163
input_sh wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've given up during the time when ISIS regularly posted videos on social media. I've reported a video with a literal beheading about two thirds of the video in, and it didn't go against Facebook's community standards. I guess whichever moderator saw it didn't bother to skip ahead during those like 5-10 seconds they reach their decision in.

They probably don't have the time. Next time report with timestamp?

There's no comment box, it's just a dropdown list. You can't pass them that sort of detail.

The moderators absolutely have my sympathy. The people who designed this system do not.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by LegitShady »

mclightning wrote: post #143
LegitShady wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If this is an orchestrated divide. I don't mind West being so ignorant of Turkey. The west is so deep in turkey they know what color underwear edrogan wears each morning. You're mistaking PR with reality. The west misunderstanding turkey is much more likely to hurt turkey in the long run, than hurt the west.

Erdogan is not Turkey... A bigger power loses more from any conflict threatening the status quo. Turkey is a key player in protection of status quo surrounding the region shaped heavily by western influence. Turkey siding with Russia/China, leaving NATO would be end of any US influence in mideast + eastern mediterranean. Guess why Putin is giving so many nice toys to Erdogan. He wants to make Turkey confident and sta…

>Turkey is a key player in protection of status quo surrounding the region shaped heavily by western influence.

It's interesting that you think its in the west's best interest to continue being blackmailed by Turkey indefinitely. That's the status quo. It won't go on indefinitely no matter what.

>Turkey siding with Russia/China

Everyone is aware that turkey is playing the powers off each other, but I really doubt Turkey will really side with China or Russia who both hate the islamic religion.

>Turkey siding with Russia/China, leaving NATO would be end of any US influence in mideast + eastern mediterranean.

Edrogan thinks to forge anew turkish superpower by blackmailing the west and playing the powers off each other. Everyone knows.

>Any all out war or a civilian war, will be 4 times worse than Syria, 2 times worse than Iraq.

It won't come to that. The west will sanction Turkey into nothing, and Turkey will have the option of becoming 1/100th of its current economy or sell itself to china or russia and become a client state, something erdogan won't stand.

>And if that happens, CCP won't look so bad to most of the world.

Nobody with an sense in their head sees the political orientation of china and the way Xi can disappear its billionaires and thinks "I should sign up for that, that's the system for me".

The CCP system looks terrible, and being a client of theirs is just to be under a boot.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by mclightning »

LegitShady wrote: post #176
mclightning wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erdogan is not Turkey... A bigger power loses more from any conflict threatening the status quo. Turkey is a key player in protection of status quo surrounding the region shaped heavily by western influence. Turkey siding with Russia/China, leaving NATO would be end of any US influence in mideast + eastern mediterranean. Guess why Putin is giving so many nice toys to Erdogan. He wants to make Turkey confident and sta…

>Turkey is a key player in protection of status quo surrounding the region shaped heavily by western influence. It's interesting that you think its in the west's best interest to continue being blackmailed by Turkey indefinitely. That's the status quo. It won't go on indefinitely no matter what. >Turkey siding with Russia/China Everyone is aware that turkey is playing the powers off each other, but I really doubt Tur…

I guess, only the time will tell :)

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by missedthecue »

throwaway316943 wrote: post #165
missedthecue wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would breaking up Facebook.com look like in a way that successfully prevents what you're describing? It's not an oil conglomerate. It's a social network. That's irreducible by definition. Most people seem to throw out suggestions like forcing them to spin off Instagram and WhatsApp. That clearly wouldn't fix what youre saying is the issue. IG and WhatsApp would still be run by the same people, still owned in par…

A death knell legislation would be better. Like making social networks entirely responsible for the content posted by their users so that it’s impossible to grow beyond a certain scale and still be functional. Or maybe enforcing interoperability so that users can take their data and friends elsewhere.

Like making social networks entirely responsible for the content posted by their users so that it’s impossible to grow beyond a certain scale and still be functional

How would that fix the problem of Turkey's government controlling what gets posted and what doesn't? That'd exacerbate it.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by unityByFreedom »

l8again wrote: post #81

I think it is demonstrably proven that Facebook has no qualms about aiding and abetting government campaigns of crushing dissent across the world, despite its claims of "cherishing free speech". Facebook (and Twitter) has been doing the same in India [1]. [1] https://theintercept.com/2021/02/27/india-climate-activists-...

I always thought it was interesting that the governments of Cambodia and Vietnam allowed Facebook where the media is tightly controlled. Cambodia used to have a couple independent papers. The Post became state-controlled-by-proxy [1] and the Daily was shut down by the government [2]. The existence and popularity of Facebook basically allowed them to shut down the older independent outlets without significant outcry from the public.

Maybe there is some calculus that shows it's better to get people online through access to Facebook, I just hope there's more journalistic competition and/or transparency in the future. Giving in to autocrats seems dangerous.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phnom_Penh_Post#cite_ref-3...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cambodia_Daily#cite_ref-1:...

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by tim333 »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #179
l8again wrote: post #81

I think it is demonstrably proven that Facebook has no qualms about aiding and abetting government campaigns of crushing dissent across the world, despite its claims of "cherishing free speech". Facebook (and Twitter) has been doing the same in India [1]. [1] https://theintercept.com/2021/02/27/india-climate-activists-...

I always thought it was interesting that the governments of Cambodia and Vietnam allowed Facebook where the media is tightly controlled. Cambodia used to have a couple independent papers. The Post became state-controlled-by-proxy [1] and the Daily was shut down by the government [2]. The existence and popularity of Facebook basically allowed them to shut down the older independent outlets without significant outcry f…

I guess facebook tends to be cat pics and wackiness rather than deep analysis of government corruption. Also in Vietnam they lock up the individual blogger if you go to far. eg https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1947372/vietnam-jails-face...
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