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Re: Little League wants all your information

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I fail to see how "people should vouch for new members or be careful with my personal information" is "self-righteous tech elitist drivel".

The whole "Imma techbro and everyone else is obviously a moron who doesn't know what they're doing" schtick gets really tired.

So you don’t even disagree with the content just the tone?

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Growing up, we even saw some of this behavior in park district youth softball, which had no tournaments, tiers or scouts and even had a mission statement of not being a competitive environment.

Let’s suppose all these things are true. So what? It’s kids playing ball. They’re just having fun regardless. I’m not seeing any reasons to collect all this intrusive personal info here, just excuses.

Sorry, I didn't realize I was arguing one way or another about the data. It wasn't intentional.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Here’s what happens when you don’t have residency rules: Suppose you have suburb A next to suburb B. B has an awesome Little League local organization, but A’s is awful. Parents from A all send their kids to play ball in B. The problem is that B’s resources are finite, too: there are only so many baseball fields available for practice at a time, or batting practice cages, etc. And since the kids from A that are comin…

Why have it by residency then? Try out for a team, if you don’t get on it, try out for another one. It’s just kids playing ball, I don’t understand the high stakes. We used to just play pick up games in the park and that was fun too. No birth certificate required! Why is little league so serious?

A lot of the older kids take themselves to practice. My kid rode his bike to the park not far from our house. In general, it’s wonderful that this is an option. I’d hate it if he had to play in another city just because the parents from that city were all sending their kids here instead.

Little League is supposed to be a recreational league. I mean, they still treat it seriously and work hard to teach the kids good skills, but ultimately it should be open to any kid who wants to play. Keeping it local makes this a lot more possible.

I’m OK with the rules that Little League is trying to enforce. It’s just that I don’t like the mechanism by which they’re enforcing them.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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> Yes. Yes, it is actually reasonably hard to coordinate 18+ kids and thier familes (thats the minimum size for two baseball teams), have an experienced adult coach them, and hire a referee (if that is judged to be necessary), coordinate field usage, advocate for local governments to set aside sports and play space and protect existing space from development. How did people coordinate this before the invention of all…

Pen and paper, the way most organizing was done before the digital age. You went to a community center, signed your kids up. Can you imagine organizing 18 kids without all these devices? Little League has been around since 1939, the need for a coordinating organization isn't a recent change.

And that’s pretty much how it’s done in the LL my kid played in a few years ago. Parents show up to a local pizza place during a registration day. They bring the filled out paper enrollment form, the kid tries on some jerseys for size, and then pay the fee. Congrats, Johnny (or Jane) is signed up for LL.

Re: Little League wants all your information

#145
post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how "people should vouch for new members or be careful with my personal information" is "self-righteous tech elitist drivel".

The whole "Imma techbro and everyone else is obviously a moron who doesn't know what they're doing" schtick gets really tired.

On issues of information privacy, I think that most people here are likely to be informed enough to form opinions that they can back with reasoning, as was done here. And the facts are that the policy that Little League has does not have to be in place.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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post #111

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> Yes. Yes, it is actually reasonably hard to coordinate 18+ kids and thier familes (thats the minimum size for two baseball teams), have an experienced adult coach them, and hire a referee (if that is judged to be necessary), coordinate field usage, advocate for local governments to set aside sports and play space and protect existing space from development. How did people coordinate this before the invention of all…

>How did people coordinate this... I think you might be referring to a time when kids could play unsupervised and before independence-building play was replaced with wall-to-wall no-trespassing signs and overseen by a system that makes sure each minor transgression is forever leveraged into multiple, life-harming punishments.

Sports leagues have been a thing for generations, so it's worth noting that the answer to "What did you do before all this digital stuff" isn't "kids just did their own thing" -- they still organized leagues.

(Fewer of them, to be sure.)

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Yes it is unacceptable. Are you sure you should entrust your child to these people?

If they can misuse the data, THEY WILL. Simple as that.

If you don't want to be abused, then don't take the benefit. Instead there's, boating, fishing, hiking, camping, zoos, amusement parks, and sports at school. wrestling is much better than baseball for building fitness and confidence. Soccer is great, so is track and field. Martial arts are good, too, especially Ju Jitsu.

You have options. Check them out before you sign anything.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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I think this is just poorly written, or written to fit all use cases. There is a lot behind little league, and it’s not obvious until you get into it. I was on a little league board. In my state, we had pretty strict background check requirements, and those providers were the “trusted partners” that were given sensitive information. Now, little league volunteers are mandated reporters in New York, so the government g…

I’m curious since you actually went through the effort to be a part of the org: why do we need to formalize everything? Why not just get kids together to play baseball? Why capital Little capital League? Why do we have to normalize towards an organizational system? Academically it all makes sense; our scientific truth must be rigorously vetted. This all just feels like busy work for no gain for most people. I really…

Bingo. You said it.

Little league is overrated. It won't be long before Bubba the 50 year old alcoholic identifies as his inner child and joins the team. Remember the scandals with the Boy Skirts of America?

Why does a corporate entity want access to children, anyway?

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Oh hey, Hacker News! This is my post. I’m not strictly allergic to proving that I live in a certain place, so long as the evidence is securely deleted afterward. I’m very opposed to the idea that they can share all of those records with any of their partners or sponsors as they see fit. For example, “proof of residency 3” includes financial or medical records. Suppose that Large Corporation donates $1,000 to Little L…

I think this is just poorly written, or written to fit all use cases. There is a lot behind little league, and it’s not obvious until you get into it. I was on a little league board. In my state, we had pretty strict background check requirements, and those providers were the “trusted partners” that were given sensitive information. Now, little league volunteers are mandated reporters in New York, so the government g…

> It’s a hazard for an 11 year old to pitch or hit against 8 year olds.

Heh, I played Little League in a very small town back in 1968-69. In order to have enough teams, the league was 9, 10, 11 and 12 year olds. You had 12 year old almost men firing blazing fast balls at little 9 year old kids. Tough league.

I have a funny Little League story. My 12 year old year, I was on the worst team in the league. It was a 16 game season and we were 3 and 12. Our last game was with the undefeated team. Somehow, we played the best game of our careers and beat the undefeated team. My Mom just happened to be at the game and as was the custom, bought soda pops for all the members of the winning team (at 10 cents a bottle, a $1.50 cash outlay). She comes over to me all puzzled and asks "why are all the kids on the other team crying?". I explained how we ruined their undefeated season and she bought them all soda pops too.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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For baseball, you'd have to do a whole lot more than that. Most top baseball prospects don't go to college at all - they get signed straight out of high school. Kids are getting signed for millions of dollars at age 17 or 18, and baseball is more a skill than a sport. The stakes are ridiculously high: it's a life-changing amount of money, there are only a few spots available (compared to the number of kids who play b…

It used to be considered acceptable to find young boys with good voices and castrate them so their voices would never change. At some point, society decided that we weren't going to do that any more, even though it meant that the "castrato" parts in operas could no longer be properly sung (there was near-universal agreement that the purity and power of a castrato's voice could not be matched by anything else). Now, w…

> It used to be considered acceptable to find young boys with good voices and castrate them so their voices would never change.

> At some point, society decided that we weren't going to do that any more, even though it meant that the "castrato" parts in operas could no longer be properly sung

Well, castrating kids to preserve their high voices is out, but castrating kids is very much back in.

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