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Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by devoutsalsa »

kstrauser wrote: post #23
Spooky23 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is just poorly written, or written to fit all use cases. There is a lot behind little league, and it’s not obvious until you get into it. I was on a little league board. In my state, we had pretty strict background check requirements, and those providers were the “trusted partners” that were given sensitive information. Now, little league volunteers are mandated reporters in New York, so the government g…

I personally think you're right: it was written overly broadly and allows for things that Little League would never do in practice. I think they're a good organization and didn't mean any evil when they set this up. That said, the end result is a pretty bad combination of things. It's a little annoying but not the end of the world when I start getting spam for batting cages after registration. It would be a whole dif…

The way I see data collection:

- if you don’t need it, don’t ask for it

- if you need it, limit the scope to only the needed use cases

- if your request is overly broad & is written in a fashion that requires me to sound like I’m signing away my privacy, I gonna think you have bad intentions and that makes me not trust you

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by conradev »

Do you know if this is still a thing for California residents under the CCPA?

I recently received a standard letter from my financial institution around data sharing – the usual "we are going to share your data with our partners, please send back this physical letter in order to opt out".

There was a little footer saying that for CA residents, the default is opt-out, and that you need to send a letter to opt-in, which is incredible.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by saagarjha »

Spooky23 wrote: post #62
_underfl0w_ wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment sounds like something Linus Torvalds would say - completely eviscerating but entirely accurate.

The key difference being Linus knows what he’s talking about.

1. Not always he doesn't and 2. I fail to see anything wrong with that comment.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by novok »

dragonwriter wrote: post #70
Spooky23 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is just poorly written, or written to fit all use cases. There is a lot behind little league, and it’s not obvious until you get into it. I was on a little league board. In my state, we had pretty strict background check requirements, and those providers were the “trusted partners” that were given sensitive information. Now, little league volunteers are mandated reporters in New York, so the government g…

> Age is very important for leveling kids appropriately and keeping them safe Size/strength and emotional maturity might be, age is at best a very loose proxy for those which fails quite often.

Doing psychology assesment batteries to rate children's emotion maturity per year is way too much money and work vs just age and normal judgement.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

bombcar wrote: post #6
throwawaygulf wrote: post #4

I'm just starting to forge documents for this garbage. School records? Easy, download them, change my address to one a few miles away in the same city, change a few numbers of my SSN, etc. Same goes for utility bills, financial records, etc. Fuck the data miners. The isn't even criminal to do because I'm not defrauding anyone. The address is still one in my city. They never do any actual verification so it always wor…

What’s even more asinine is that the big credit burros already provided identity as a service — I guess they don’t want to pay for that.

This service is fundamentally broken. You call them on the phone and someone who seems to be located in an overseas call center asks you about your credit history. If the information on his screen does not match the information you provide, you fail identity verification. If you try to escalate they instruct you to photocopy your driver license and social security card and mail them the photocopy.

Source, tried to get electricity in Tampa, Florida, after leaving the military. Was denied because TECO only was willing to “verify” my identity through Experian, and Experian .

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

iamcurious wrote: post #47
bruceb wrote: post #14

People complain about data harvesting (and I don't want mine harvested either) but would would also balk at paying the "true" cost of some things if the data being sold subsidy was removed. Shorter: You get what you pay for.

> but would would also balk at paying the "true" cost of some things if the data being sold subsidy was removed If they would, demand for the product would go down, and the company would have to adjust itself. It isn't and all or nothing. >You get what you pay for. This implies that one can pay extra to preserve privacy. Edit: please keep parent comment alive. This is a discussion we should have.

> please keep parent comment alive. This is a discussion we should have.

I upvoted even though I disagree, because yes.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by syntheticnature »

chrisseaton wrote: post #68
chrissnell wrote: post #64

Don't always assume bad intent with these sports leagues. I helped my son's tackle football league out with various organizational and website tasks because they didn't have anybody on the board that understood it well. Some parents are just better suited to teaching tackling technique than they are creating a web form that makes sense. I'm guessing that OP's league might be sponsored by the city and the city Parks &…

Why is there any bureaucracy to Little League in the first place, though? Like why do we need to be doing any of this? > To sign kids up for our city’s Little League baseball program, you have to prove that they’re residents, which is reasonable. I don't really get that. What are we scared of here? People coming over the border to steal Little League coaching for their children? Is that a major concern somewhere?

Yuuuup, that's more or less it. Elsethread:

One former LL volunteer at the local level seeing forged documents in order to get older kids in younger kid leagues: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26297842

Discussion of the baseball pipeline and the importance of getting that early playtime and coaching: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26298649

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by Turing_Machine »

GeneralMayhem wrote: post #61
jeffgreco wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta start disincentivizing this at the public university level.

For baseball, you'd have to do a whole lot more than that. Most top baseball prospects don't go to college at all - they get signed straight out of high school. Kids are getting signed for millions of dollars at age 17 or 18, and baseball is more a skill than a sport. The stakes are ridiculously high: it's a life-changing amount of money, there are only a few spots available (compared to the number of kids who play b…

It used to be considered acceptable to find young boys with good voices and castrate them so their voices would never change.

At some point, society decided that we weren't going to do that any more, even though it meant that the "castrato" parts in operas could no longer be properly sung (there was near-universal agreement that the purity and power of a castrato's voice could not be matched by anything else).

Now, we're not castrating these kids, but we are sending a lot of them into adulthood with physical problems (fucked-up joints, e.g.) and a socially-impoverished childhood.

Maybe accepting a slightly-lower baseline level of professional baseball skill would be a reasonable tradeoff to avoid that?

Edit: the same holds true for gymnastics, tennis, etc., of course -- any sport that requires that level of dedication from a young child. I don't mean to drag baseball in specific.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by bruceb »

Guest42 wrote: post #33
kstrauser wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your contention is that Little League would be more expensive if they weren't allowed to sell your financial records?

I think this position is being applied somewhat universally with no supporting data.

Paid social networks have failed to gain traction because most people don't want to pay $10 a year.

People will give up their shopping privacy for extra discounts the the super market.

People buy cheap TVs that send data on what they watch which is then sold.

Plenty of examples.

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