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Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by newsclues »

krumpet wrote: post #19

This type of crap makes me so, so mad. I don't have specific examples right now, but I find it increasingly common to be asked for personal information from the most obscure sources. Ordinarily, I can choose to either not sign up or choose a different option. But with something like the only sports league in town, what's a parents supposed to do? So frustrating. Love the comment from throwawaygulf to submit fake data…

I was taking a university computer studies course and the cengage curriculum had a project that required setting up a LinkedIn account.

I wrote a letter saying this sort of data mining for marks was stupid and abhorrent.

I received no comment on my objection, just a zero.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by kstrauser »

dusing wrote: post #45
kstrauser wrote: post #2

Oh hey, Hacker News! This is my post. I’m not strictly allergic to proving that I live in a certain place, so long as the evidence is securely deleted afterward. I’m very opposed to the idea that they can share all of those records with any of their partners or sponsors as they see fit. For example, “proof of residency 3” includes financial or medical records. Suppose that Large Corporation donates $1,000 to Little L…

Do you recall who the service provider was for the organization. Like SportEngine (owned by NBC) etc…? I think this is a major issue since most are large companies that can and will sell that data to highest bidder.

It’s through Sports Connect.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by moron4hire »

This is a great example for why I think these sorts of data sharing agreements need to just be made completely illegal. Somebody will come around and say "well, if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you, you can just go somewhere else". And that might work for something like a blogging platform where there is so much competition and very few barriers to entry. But for a huge number of things, there are no alternatives, or the only alternatives are also operating in the same way.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by _underfl0w_ »

felipellrocha wrote: post #39
throwawaygulf wrote: post #4

I'm just starting to forge documents for this garbage. School records? Easy, download them, change my address to one a few miles away in the same city, change a few numbers of my SSN, etc. Same goes for utility bills, financial records, etc. Fuck the data miners. The isn't even criminal to do because I'm not defrauding anyone. The address is still one in my city. They never do any actual verification so it always wor…

This sounds like a good problem to solve. Give me your address, and if someone asks, and you are ok with, i can verify you live in said (country/county/city) but not tell the exact location. Obviously, there is a problem of trust in the first place to solve, but i fee like this sort of data escrow could be useful to a lot of people.

Useful as well to overreaching governments and law enforcement. Certainly not the type of thing you could legally inform your customers of, either.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by aiisahik »

Speaking as someone who is has done this in their career, the data trove here would be extremely easy to monetize. No Hedge fund / Fintech company would ever turn this kinda data down the yearly licensing fee would def be in the millions. Not saying that they are doing this now but remember that once you submit this data that's going to be with LL for a long time. If they run into some situation in a few years and find this desirable, you're data is going to be part of the package.

What they really should be doing is outsourcing this to another company that is specifically dedicated to identity verification (like Personia.io) and NOT collect any of the underlying documentation. But why the hell would they do that when there's so much future upside they would be giving up?

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by 542458 »

throwawayboise wrote: post #48
pridkett wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s referring to strict background checks for the volunteers.

Yes thanks to Larry Nassir and Jerry Sandusky every volunteer parent on every youth sports club is seen as a potential pedophile. Mandatory background checks, mandatory training on bullying, harassment, hazing, physical abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, and sexual misconduct is now required. It has really made it much more difficult for leagues to get volunteers because though many parents want to help, most don'…

Is it really that bad? From what I remember, in Canada my vulnerable sector check was as simple as going to a location, showing my drivers license and giving basic contact info, and waiting a few minutes while they query a few databases. I’m told it gets slightly more complicated if you share a name and birthday with somebody convicted of a serious crime, but that’s the exception rather than the rule.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by Taniwha »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #41
ape4 wrote: post #12

Why do they "need" 3 proofs of residency?!

I played soccer in HS. There were rumors of aspiring players parents renting apartments in different districts to make them eligible for a certain league or district. I'm guessing this takes aim at parents who are trying to easily forge eligibility of their child.

Yeah but: I volunteered in a High School in East Oakland a couple of decades back - the school football team won the state championship, people were so proud, then they were disqualified because their star player was living in a car with his mom .... didn't have a fixed Oakland address even though he lived there.

Some people don't have the luxury of an address, much less 3 forms of address .... but every kid should be able to play Little League, or school sports etc etc and any system that doesn't go out of its way to allow this is fundamentally broken

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by jeffgreco »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #42
Spooky23 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is just poorly written, or written to fit all use cases. There is a lot behind little league, and it’s not obvious until you get into it. I was on a little league board. In my state, we had pretty strict background check requirements, and those providers were the “trusted partners” that were given sensitive information. Now, little league volunteers are mandated reporters in New York, so the government g…

Some (including me) would argue that "elite travel teams" and the like should not even exist at this level.

Gotta start disincentivizing this at the public university level.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by throwawayboise »

542458 wrote: post #56
throwawayboise wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes thanks to Larry Nassir and Jerry Sandusky every volunteer parent on every youth sports club is seen as a potential pedophile. Mandatory background checks, mandatory training on bullying, harassment, hazing, physical abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, and sexual misconduct is now required. It has really made it much more difficult for leagues to get volunteers because though many parents want to help, most don'…

Is it really that bad? From what I remember, in Canada my vulnerable sector check was as simple as going to a location, showing my drivers license and giving basic contact info, and waiting a few minutes while they query a few databases. I’m told it gets slightly more complicated if you share a name and birthday with somebody convicted of a serious crime, but that’s the exception rather than the rule.

The background check is pretty much that -- it's online and quick, but you have to submit Driver's License #, SS#, DOB, everything that makes people nervous online. And in my experience, the form was a classic ASP page that looked like it had been developed in 1998. I didn't try any SQL injection tricks or anything, but it didn't inspire confidence. In sum, it's not so much the background check itself I object to, it's the wondering about the third parties that get the information.

Then there's the hours of online "Safe Sport" training, every year, plus you become a "mandatory reporter" for any kind of abuse, neglect, etc. and that also makes people nervous. So it's just more reasons for people to decline to help.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by edoceo »

Similar things happen with other third party. Got a funny looking "secure" message from a vendor via VirTru - WTF? Another is obligating me into a check service by Deluxe.

Sometimes your risk exposure is just the second party (Little League) but, with the explosion of SaaS it's like each of my vendors obligates me to get accounts at two more! Spreading my PII far and wide.

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