An enemy of Erdogan, not necessarily an enemy of Turkey.
Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
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#52Facebook is following laws of countries it operates in, truly shocking
Not very uplifting if you account for who's ruling Turkey and establishing these laws, is it?
Considering YPG is considered a terrorist organization and is an extension of another terrorist organization recognized by many countries, including US, I'm not sure this is about the ruler of the country.
YPG/PKK terrorism is something Turkey is trying to deal with for ~30 years now.
Calling people killing Turkish citizens as Kurdish minorities is also overly romantic if it's unintentional.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Freedom of speech/expression is a right of every individual on this planet I'm not aware of any country with unlimited speech. Definitely not US or EU countries. I'm not observing huge pushback from US citizens, business and other countries when Facebook and Twitter tried to silence Trump and some other conservative leaders. There are topics that are forbidden by law to discuss in EU, for example to deny Holocaust.…
This is simply tu quoque - clearly there are limits to free speech in every country but where possible the right to free expression should outweigh the the state’s desire to silence political opposition. Twitter was a pretty good example of this actually - protecting people’s right to hear from the President (despite him saying and doing many things that would have got regular users banned) right up until the point w…
> This is simply tu quoque
Not the original poster, but I don't think it is.
The problem is that, since all countries acknowledge that there should be limits on speech, it's inappropriate for one country (or company, for that matter) to decide what should be the limit in another country.
If it were black and white, there'd be a much stronger case. But this is a company saying "our shade of grey is preferable to yours".
I obviously don't agree with what the Turkish government demanded, but I'm unconvinced that this in particular is a strong argument for a foreign company to decide to overrule local law. And I really think that should be a very high bar.
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#54It's an obvious "following the local law" thingy, Facebook doesn't give a s*t, I personally reported 3 posts on different FB pages 1st was a religion extremist guy who says to Iraqi people that they should protest and fight the "other side" of the religion (aka start a new civil war) instead of protesting against the corrupted government. 2nd was a post that was praising the guy who murdered the Danish (Or was he Nor…
Interestingly, I've had more success reporting on Instagram than Facebook...
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Freedom of speech/expression is a right of every individual on this planet. Any regime that does not support that should face pushback from its citizens, businesses, and other countries.
Respectful nitpick: maybe you mean "Freedom of speech/expression should be a right of every individual on this planet" Also, one thing is to wish for universal freedom of speech, another one is for a given community, or country, to impose its views on free speech (and limitations thereof) to another community. Edit: typo
It is a Human Right according to the UN declaration.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
both Turkey and facebooks home, the US , have signed it
Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
#56An enemy of Erdogan, not necessarily an enemy of Turkey.
Around %90 of the population in Turkey would call that group an enemy. So, it is not another "Erdogan wants to silence his enemy" case.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
if someone set up a facebook page to promote killing you and everyone you love, and making your life hell, i think you would think differently.
That's not accurate.
why not? The only difference is that ISIS makes life hell for a larger group of people. Does that lessen its impact on an individual?
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#58It's an obvious "following the local law" thingy, Facebook doesn't give a s*t, I personally reported 3 posts on different FB pages 1st was a religion extremist guy who says to Iraqi people that they should protest and fight the "other side" of the religion (aka start a new civil war) instead of protesting against the corrupted government. 2nd was a post that was praising the guy who murdered the Danish (Or was he Nor…
Facebook has so much power with censoring only one side of the extremists. A good experiment would be if you could find a Christian priest to report, and check whether their response is weighted differently.
A good experiment would be ...
That would be an anecdote just as Ahmed's findings were anecdotal. It you want to check for bias you need data.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
The PKK was formed in reaction to intense oppression of the Kurdish people by the Turkish State. The Kurdish language and traditional garb were banned, and Kurdish history was not allowed to be taught. The Turkish State also burned Kurdish villages and slaughtered many Kurds. None of this is to say that the PKK has not committed acts which would surely offend western sensibilities, but simply slapping the "terrorist"…
> The Kurdish language and traditional garb were banned How about nowadays? Nothing is banned yet we still see PKK bombing public buses in our cities. Seriously, when can we call these guys "terrorist"? These problems were real, yes, Kurdish language was banned, people couldn't say they were Kurdish without any pressure back then but these days are no more. Does "cultural ban happened in the past" justify what PKK is…
Given that I'm very far removed from these events, I don't think it's my place to make strong judgements about what is and isn't justified in what has obviously been a very long and bitter conflict.
That being said, I don't think the PKK explicitly uses these past offenses to justify their continued activity in the conflict. My understanding is that they continue fighting because the Turkish Kurds still lack any meaningful political representation, they oppose Erdogan's push towards Islamic national identity, and because the Turkish State continues to carry out military strikes against Kurdish targets outside Turkey's borders.
I'm by no means an authority on this topic so feel free to correct me if I've made any incorrect statements. It sounds like you're much close to this conflict than I am, in which case my heart goes out to you in wishing for a peaceful resolution to all of this.
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#60Hey man, but what if the CIA needs YPG to recruit more so it can put terrorist pressure on Turkey to, uh, defend NATO or something? Someone should check on the spooks to make sure that they're all OK and not suffering from some kind of collective degenerative brain disease.
Good to remind us that YPG has defended NATO quite valiantly from Daesh advancing on its borders in the past. And what happened next? NATO threw them to the wolves. The Afrin district that used to be the most peaceful place in Syria is now occupied by mercenaries and ethnically cleansed.