Well, isn't it ironic that many people here appaled by this kind of censorship were backing the same GAFAs when they kicked Trump of their platforms ? Oh yes i know, "it's not comparable because...", well, yes, it IS perfectly comparable and it is in fact the same.
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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
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Funny that you compare YPG to ISIS. YPG/YPJ (alongside others in SDF) where some of the most successful militia in fighting back against ISIS (so much that there where some strategic co-operation with US forces in fighting ISIS). They also generally fight for Kurdish rights and, ethnic pluralism in general (saved several Yazidi towns from ISIS for example), women's rights and democracy (including forms of local direc…
>The reason PKK and/or YPG/YPJ is on some terrorist lists is mainly because Turkish government is against Kurdish rights in general. So you're just gonna omit the fact that they have a decades long history of bombing and killing innocent civilians including kids?
I've tried to find information about this, and all I can find is that Turkey claimed they committed war crimes, but when the US and UN investigated they couldn't find any supporting evidence.
Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
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Freedom of speech/expression is a right of every individual on this planet. Any regime that does not support that should face pushback from its citizens, businesses, and other countries.
Why? If we are certain that values of free speech are important for national success, then if others suppress them, fine! It only provides us competitive advantage, let them suffer from their mistakes.
Yeah, fuck em. Who cares what other countries do, let them exterminate their minorities too it just means less competition for resources. /s
Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
#34Well, isn't it ironic that many people here appaled by this kind of censorship were backing the same GAFAs when they kicked Trump of their platforms ? Oh yes i know, "it's not comparable because...", well, yes, it IS perfectly comparable and it is in fact the same.
It seems to me like proponents of censorship want to enforce their world view in some way or another. It doesn't matter which pole they're on, if they think censorship is a good policy, then they're arguing from a perspective where their views aren't the ones that are censored.
Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
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Funny that you compare YPG to ISIS. YPG/YPJ (alongside others in SDF) where some of the most successful militia in fighting back against ISIS (so much that there where some strategic co-operation with US forces in fighting ISIS). They also generally fight for Kurdish rights and, ethnic pluralism in general (saved several Yazidi towns from ISIS for example), women's rights and democracy (including forms of local direc…
>The reason PKK and/or YPG/YPJ is on some terrorist lists is mainly because Turkish government is against Kurdish rights in general. So you're just gonna omit the fact that they have a decades long history of bombing and killing innocent civilians including kids?
The PKK was formed in reaction to intense oppression of the Kurdish people by the Turkish State. The Kurdish language and traditional garb were banned, and Kurdish history was not allowed to be taught. The Turkish State also burned Kurdish villages and slaughtered many Kurds.
None of this is to say that the PKK has not committed acts which would surely offend western sensibilities, but simply slapping the "terrorist" label on them and calling it a day is not a nuanced way to approach the discussion.
Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
#36It's the correct decision (although Facebook likely only cares about its bottom line). the YPG is designated as a terrorist organisation by the Turkish state and it's quite obvious that Turkey will want to exercise sovereignty over its communication channels rather than letting an opposing military force broadcast freely to its citizens. It's not really the job of a private company to undermine nations in this way fo…
It’s the wrong decision but no private company should be in a position to make it. The power that we have granted to centralized extralegal entities is obscene and we’re going to pay for it in blood if we don’t walk this back quickly by breaking up these orgs and building technologies that decentralize that power.
Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
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Freedom of speech/expression is a right of every individual on this planet. Any regime that does not support that should face pushback from its citizens, businesses, and other countries.
> Freedom of speech/expression is a right of every individual on this planet I'm not aware of any country with unlimited speech. Definitely not US or EU countries. I'm not observing huge pushback from US citizens, business and other countries when Facebook and Twitter tried to silence Trump and some other conservative leaders. There are topics that are forbidden by law to discuss in EU, for example to deny Holocaust.…
> Freedom of speech/expression is a right of every individual on this planet
I do think that it's slightly more nuanced. On certain issues there is no freedom of speech. This is when it is determined that the opinions expressed are detrimental to the human race and largely false. Nazi beliefs are in this category. They are so harmful to the public that individual freedom is quashed. incitement to murder is another. You certainly don't have freedom to say everything you like. That would lead to anarchy.
Edit: the only true freedom is freedom of belief. You are free to believe anything you like. However you may not always be allowed to pass on those beliefs. The press are given gag orders all the time, it's not the most fundemental human right.
Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
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>The reason PKK and/or YPG/YPJ is on some terrorist lists is mainly because Turkish government is against Kurdish rights in general. So you're just gonna omit the fact that they have a decades long history of bombing and killing innocent civilians including kids?
The PKK was formed in reaction to intense oppression of the Kurdish people by the Turkish State. The Kurdish language and traditional garb were banned, and Kurdish history was not allowed to be taught. The Turkish State also burned Kurdish villages and slaughtered many Kurds. None of this is to say that the PKK has not committed acts which would surely offend western sensibilities, but simply slapping the "terrorist"…
I always felt surprised how people are when they throw such "facts" very confidently. What's your source ? Have you been there yourself? How did you end up convincing yourself to know the truth so well that you can transmit to others without leaving any room for discussion? This reminds me something I quite dislike: the tone of fascism. It's widespread like a virus these days.
Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
#39I'll leave this here in case anyone wants to argue YPG is not PKK. YPG is a literal terrorist organization. Imagine ISIS had a Facebook page. "Senior US general explains rebranding YPG away from terror group PKK" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHpaIO-Pj10
If ISIS had a facebook page, I would be angry at facebook if they censored it. Related: People claimed Cloudflare used to protect ISIS sites. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/19/cloudflar...
if someone set up a facebook page to promote killing you and everyone you love, and making your life hell, i think you would think differently.
Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government
#40There are no good solutions here. Should Facebook ignore Turkish law? Should they go by the US' terror organisation list instead? Should they maintain their own "terrorist list" alongside Turkey & the US'? Separate classifications of illegal or immoral content for in every jurisdiction? You think there are political biases in American FB or Twitter? ... Try FB in a language or political context that no FB executive e…
The only good solution is for social media to be a neutral service provider open to all. It would destroy Facebook’s business model but that’s a good thing.