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Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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It is kind of funny that exchanges have become so successful for Bitcoin- since they lose 100% of the stuff that made BTC attractive in the first place. They’re centralised, regulated and transactions don’t even go on the blockchain. The result is that the number 1 way people get into Bitcoin is through a mechanism that has none of the attributes of Bitcoin.

> since they lose 100% of the stuff that made BTC attractive in the first place Not so. They still allow speculation on BTC price volatility and "get rich quick" gambles is what drove most of Bitcoin growth in the past few years. If anything, the big exchanges make Bitcoin even more suitable for speculation than if it was on the blockchain, since you can trade way more if you don't have to wait several blocks for you…

Making it easier to speculate should in theory decrease volatility and make market manipulation harder, since having more speculators should mean that the price is driven to its fair value more quickly.

Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> since they lose 100% of the stuff that made BTC attractive in the first place Not so. They still allow speculation on BTC price volatility and "get rich quick" gambles is what drove most of Bitcoin growth in the past few years. If anything, the big exchanges make Bitcoin even more suitable for speculation than if it was on the blockchain, since you can trade way more if you don't have to wait several blocks for you…

Making it easier to speculate should in theory decrease volatility and make market manipulation harder, since having more speculators should mean that the price is driven to its fair value more quickly.

This gets back to the "gambling vs investing" debate we had on the front page yesterday. What is the fair value of bitcoin? It will never provide dividends or other types of future cashflows, so that aspect of its fair value is zero. The remaining part is purely speculative in that it is based on what other people will pay for it. It is not at all clear to me that having more (relatively uninformed) speculators will lead to less volatility for such an instrument.

Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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It is kind of funny that exchanges have become so successful for Bitcoin- since they lose 100% of the stuff that made BTC attractive in the first place. They’re centralised, regulated and transactions don’t even go on the blockchain. The result is that the number 1 way people get into Bitcoin is through a mechanism that has none of the attributes of Bitcoin.

If you want to go to the Amazon jungle, you will still need to pass through a (centralized) airport.

Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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“It’s a money network,” Winklevoss said. “What happens when you put an economic incentive around that network? That’s possibly the most effective network in the world.” How in the world can you call Bitcoin a "money network"? Unless I'm missing something obvious there's no more network effect to it than to any other popular currency or security.

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Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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Remember when BTC used to be fun and exciting? Stupid projects being created, tipping widespread all over the internet. It was created to be a "peer-to-peer electronic cash system" (quoting from the whitepaper title)... oh how far it has strayed.

Yes I remember when you could send Bitcoins and your transaction was practically guaranteed to get into the next block. I had fun solving puzzles created using Bitcoin scripts. If you could solve the puzzle you could win some Bitcoins. Transaction fees were so low as to be irrelevant and you could send small tips to anyone you wanted, buy beers, gift it to strangers to try out... But even then you could see that Bitc…

Running a fully verifying node doesn't require that much space, since you can prune away older blocks once verified (if you're fine with not being able to seed other nodes). It does take a fair amount of time to download so many GB of history.

Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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Any article that uses the sentence "mostly men" in the first paragraph is highly likely not worth reading.

According to Financial Times it's a good thing crypto is mostly men, since it's such an obvious scam:

> Most women aren’t as into crypto as men and that’s OK. It’s actually good! Cryptocurrencies consume huge amounts of energy, enable criminality, often lack security, and generally just don't work very well.

> But let's not encourage other women to throw their money away on nonsense. And let's not think that just because a lot of men are doing something, we should do be doing it too.

https://www.ft.com/content/77f34d67-b797-3359-a89d-f9447ca40...

Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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“It’s a money network,” Winklevoss said. “What happens when you put an economic incentive around that network? That’s possibly the most effective network in the world.” How in the world can you call Bitcoin a "money network"? Unless I'm missing something obvious there's no more network effect to it than to any other popular currency or security.

You're correct on Bitcoin's network effect being currently less than that of existing popular fiat currencies. The currency market, is of course, the most actively traded market in the world. The FOREX trades over $7 trillion per day, and the market is worth over $2.4 quadrillion.

But yes, Bitcoin has already eclipsed all but a handful of stocks with a market cap clocking in at $800B-$1T, a daily volume of $50B+ and its more liquid than any stock since it trades 24/7 and can be remitted without intermediaries.

Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I remember when you could send Bitcoins and your transaction was practically guaranteed to get into the next block. I had fun solving puzzles created using Bitcoin scripts. If you could solve the puzzle you could win some Bitcoins. Transaction fees were so low as to be irrelevant and you could send small tips to anyone you wanted, buy beers, gift it to strangers to try out... But even then you could see that Bitc…

> Most people couldn't run full nodes Can you elaborate on that? I checked few years ago and it was possible to run full node. What would prevent me from running full node right now?

Maybe I should say didn't rather than couldn't. Everyone can rent a server for a few dollars a month to run a node. Most people home laptops are not suited to running a full node as they either have to be always on or are spending a lot of time validating blocks every time you power them on to catch up.

Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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These says, if you write "men" instead of "mostly men", you get attacked my SJWs. My favorite form is when they write "men (and they are almost entirely men)." But as is becoming clear to many, you cant please everyone all of the time, and, especially these days, there are some people you cant please any of the time. What phrasing would you prefer? "Humans" or just "men"?

If someone cannot think about a topic without classifying the genitals of the discussed people irrespective of what they are talking about, you'd probably not be wrong to take notice of that. Not that it matters, but, expecting the whole world to share the same perversion is a bit too much..

What is the fixation on “genitals” here? This comes up surprisingly often in this type of conversation.

“Hey guys, anyone want to get coffee?”

“Sure”

Random SJW: “why are you focused on genitals? What a weird perversion”

Everyone else: “Huh?”

Is this a projection thing? Half the time the lazy pronoun use appears to be the exact opposite of this claim - the writer hasn’t stopped to think and classify readers by their genitals.

Re: Coinbase mafia shows how tight a circle holds sway over Bitcoin

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It's factual, noteworthy and reasonable in the context.

Why? Would you feel differently about coinbase if it's leadership were evenly divided between men and women, or largely women?

No. Your attempt to project hyperbole into what I 'feel' is not rhetoric.

If it's a small group of heretofore unknown people with a major stake in a new, exotic and opaque, 1 Trillion dollar asset pool, then describing them as 'all men' is perfectly reasonable if they are. Just as if they were all American. It's relevant because they are obvious characteristics of the group and not a random outcome.

If there was some women in the group then it wouldn't have been notable.

This is not SJW journalism it's just journalism.

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