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In Defense of Dumb TVs

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> Incredibly, Samsung even recommends that you run virus and malware checking on your TV regularly. Given its constant ambient speech scanning, Samsung also recommends that you leave the room if you want to have a private conversation. This makes me very, very angry.

Source?

Google it you royal faggot.

Re: In Defense of Dumb TVs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep plus when you start to stretch the Fire Stick and a few other products you find a number of issues. For example I've spend probably in the region of 40 hours trying to fix issues with Firestick and Echo Studio. When they work well they are excellent value for money products. But then you get a glitch (like audio dropping because of a lack of sync) and it becomes a morass. Hours upon hours and no solution (eventua…

I never had a single issue with my roommates' Samsung smart TV (casting or otherwise) besides some buggy apps. Apple doesn't have a monopoly on "just works."

Bought a Samsung TV that purports to support Airplay. It works... except for some apps can’t stream to it. Turns out that some apps can only Airplay to official Apple devices and not the Samsung TVs despite marketing. I was planning to neuter the network from my TV and go with an Apple TV anyways, but that sealed the deal.

Re: In Defense of Dumb TVs

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Huge "dumb tv" proponent here I've had an nvidia shield for years and it checks all the boxes for me. It runs android and from what I know, it's one of the most well supported android devices period in terms of consistent updates. Here's why I love it:

- I have access to the play store for apps, not some proprietary tv manufacturer subset of poorly developed apps. That means I can install the retroarch/plex/etc android apps directly from play.

- It has built in google assistant which I use every day to play music and yt videos (as well as controlling other stuff in my all-google house.

- Thanks to CEC, if I say "hey google play [artist] videos on shield" it will turn on the shield, which will turn on my TV, which will turn on my stereo. I never have to touch buttons if I want to listen to music.

- Because it's android TV, I can clear my homescreen of everything but the app launchers I use - no ads, no suggestions, no junk apps.

- It has a really cool feature that lets you stream 4k from a PC with an nvidia card. I added the rdp exe as a "game" that I can stream so I stream my office desktop to my living room tv to browse reddit and check emails and stuff. (This is probably one of the most incomparable features)

- It has 2 usb ports. I use one for retroarch roms and the other one for a logitech wireless kb with a touch pad (which is great for when I'm streaming my desktop but also when I need to enter a password or something.

- you can pair any controller with it but I've used the nvidia controller that came with it to play a bunch of n64 and snes games all the way through on retro arch.

My TV is stupid and I like it that way. As far as I'm concerned, the shield is my TV's os

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I’m really pleased the author called out the Apple TV as a device that lets you avoid ads. We tried to go cheap on another of our TVs and get an Amazon Fire Stick and in addition to it being not as smooth (combo of UX and speed) at the Apple TV, it had a good amount of ads all over the place. There’s lots of griping about the cost of an Apple TV 4k, but I’ll pay that extra $100 to avoid ads and not be tracked so exte…

Yes - I wish Apple would just make a TV. Call it a living room screen or a living room monitor or something. Make it OLED, dumb TV, instant on, Apple TV box plugs in. Separate box with front facing ports that connects to screen with one cable. A remote designed by someone who thought about it for ten seconds (why do modern TVs have dozens of buttons no one ever uses?). This entire market is in desperate need of someo…

> The best available option today is LG and it’s still laden with ads and takes a few seconds to boot up.

Sharp offers (most of) their range as dumb TVs[1]. They still take a few seconds to turn on, but not notably longer than a typical computer monitor.

1. https://sg.sharp/products/tv?filters%5B33%3A36%5D=33%3A36

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I'm tracking the need gap for dumb TVs on my problem validation platform[1], I'm adding links to high quality dumb TVs there as and when I find them. Please do let me know if you come across good dumb TVs which should be added there.

[1] 'Make TV dumb again': https://needgap.com/problems/64-make-tv-dumb-again-privacy-c...

Re: In Defense of Dumb TVs

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Has nobody rooted the firmware for "smart" TV's?

Instead of rooting, I wonder if it would be possible to simply replace the insides with a raspberry pi or similar thing

You can "lobotomise" one with something like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24877363 which truly dumbs it down.

(The referred article seems to have disappeared, but the archive saves: http://web.archive.org/web/20190511065920/http://redlightgre... )

Re: In Defense of Dumb TVs

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At least for the time being it's still possible to keep TVs off the internet and bypass this garbage. I've got a 2020 Sony and have never seen an ad on it. I'm expecting these days are numbered though; some combination of ethernet-over-HDMI, Amazon Sidewalk, built-in 5G antennas, or just straight up refusing to work without a network connection feels like it's just a couple years away.

I cannot seem to find it now, but I read couple years back something about TV manufacturers considering embedding a cell and sim card SoC into these smart TV's for exactly this reason.

Re: In Defense of Dumb TVs

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I recently bought a new TV and did a little searching for dumb TVs before buying. It’s really hard to find a dumb TV. I learned that you can in fact buy a commercial TV that is dumb which seems like a good option. I ended up going with a smart enabled Samsung TV and have not enabled the TV to access wifi. It wants me to agree to terms and conditions whenever I pull up the main menu. I’ve learned to ignore it but it h…

A possible alternative, at least for people inclined to a more cinematic watching experience (which has its pros and cons), is to buy a projector.

A projector also makes an excellent second monitor, again pros and cons.
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