Live data from Hacker News

Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

web.cs.ucla.edu

41–50 of 88 posts

Re: Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

#42

I think there is a wirelrss revolution around the corner being held up by patents, closed chipsets, and closed firmwares. Look at what was necessary in this papet, thr IoT device pretends to be an access point to bypass all the layers in the stack that would filter out thr packet. In this case they found a hack to workaround chipset/firmware limitations, but what other innovations havent happened due to inaccesible w…

Check our SDR, you can have access to anything in the physical layer with ease these days. Like here's a fancy SDR system running as a wifi AP: https://www.rtl-sdr.com/bladerf-wiphy-open-source-wifi-acces... You'll need a proper FCC license to do much transmitting of anything on non-standard frequencies though.

Re: Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

#43

Yes, or, at least it has been used to do so. Microsoft's xbox 360/xbox one USB controller adapter is actually a standard wifi adapter with a custom firmware. Source: https://github.com/medusalix/xow#how-it-works

Does that mean something like an esp32 could interact with it, or does the xbox one have DRM like the PlayStation controllers do?

Re: Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

#44
post #36
post #5

if only there were some good flows for attaching sound input / outputs & input devices over wifi there are some technical means. one could use usb-ip[1] to bridge peripherals, for example. but few rise to the status of "flows", good well paved paths. [1] http://usbip.sourceforge.net/

Is usbip finally usable?

In my experience, no. I would really love for it to be a thing as it's perfect for sharing devices on your computer to containers or VMs (i.e. program and debug your ARM MCU with a complex embedded toolchain and programmer running in a simple docker container). But in my experience USB over IP is still kind of a "here's a bunch of kernel modules and not a lot of documentation; good luck on windows" stage.

Re: Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

#45

Yes, or, at least it has been used to do so. Microsoft's xbox 360/xbox one USB controller adapter is actually a standard wifi adapter with a custom firmware. Source: https://github.com/medusalix/xow#how-it-works

That's due to range and especially latency issues with Bluetooth. It's one reason competitive shooters were more popular on the 360 than the Ps3 with its Bluetooth gamepad.

Slightly off-topic:

Caring about slight latency differences but then still using joysticks for a shooter seems rather weird.

Re: Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

#46
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's due to range and especially latency issues with Bluetooth. It's one reason competitive shooters were more popular on the 360 than the Ps3 with its Bluetooth gamepad.

Slightly off-topic: Caring about slight latency differences but then still using joysticks for a shooter seems rather weird.

And yet when the military wants to shoot for real, it uses joysticks and not keyboards.

Re: Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

#47

Yes, or, at least it has been used to do so. Microsoft's xbox 360/xbox one USB controller adapter is actually a standard wifi adapter with a custom firmware. Source: https://github.com/medusalix/xow#how-it-works

Does that mean something like an esp32 could interact with it, or does the xbox one have DRM like the PlayStation controllers do?

[deleted]

Re: Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

#48
post #5

if only there were some good flows for attaching sound input / outputs & input devices over wifi there are some technical means. one could use usb-ip[1] to bridge peripherals, for example. but few rise to the status of "flows", good well paved paths. [1] http://usbip.sourceforge.net/

Netcat and sox works spendidly:

    rec -p | nc -l 7777

    nc 192.168.1.11 7777 | play -v 0.1 -

Re: Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've read chunks of the bluetooth spec and while I didn't wind up spending very long actually using it, the vibe I got was that of a committee composed of architecture astronauts who pumped out pages by the truckload and applications engineers who could never agree on anything. The standard is very heavy on abstract cruft and very light on constraining decisions, which is probably why 30 years later we still have pai…

Oh but the next version has fixed that, uses less energy and is going to be great, as per every Bluetooth press release every single year.

[deleted]

Re: Wi-LE: Can WiFi replace Bluetooth? (2019) [pdf]

#50

I think there is a wirelrss revolution around the corner being held up by patents, closed chipsets, and closed firmwares. Look at what was necessary in this papet, thr IoT device pretends to be an access point to bypass all the layers in the stack that would filter out thr packet. In this case they found a hack to workaround chipset/firmware limitations, but what other innovations havent happened due to inaccesible w…

I can't tell if "thr" is a typo of "the" or an abbreviation of "their".
Post reply on HN