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Re: The Framework Laptop

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If it includes a GPU driver, then the trackpad driver is trivial compared to that. Actually manufacturing the trackpad hardware might be difficult/expensive, but since that's already a given, the driver can be tweaked in tons of ways to fit the regular macOS experience...

True, but then why don't we have awesome Linux trackpad drivers for Intel Macbooks?

We don’t even have them for Bootcamp.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

For whatever reason, I've never used a laptop that wasn't a MacBook that has had a trackpad anywhere as amazing as what Apple has done. I don't know if the problem is hardware, software, or both, but as a consumer I don't care. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better. That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be…

Try looking for a laptop that doesn't have the terrible chiclet-style keys, it's impossible. Mac included

Re: The Framework Laptop

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That's just a place to gather junk. People rarely use rj-45 these days, that's why it's not present on most laptops.

If by people you mean consumers, then yes, if you mean corporate/tech workers, then no.

I mean all people. When you work on the laptop you probably connect more things than a network => you have a dock => you don't need the rj45. So there might be negligible amount of corporate workers that need it, and some portion of tech workers, maybe. But overall, out of all customers, it's not enough for the hassle. Especially since it has drawbacks for the rest of the customers.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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To people hoping this will succeed (which I would very much like it to, personally), think about this: 1. Do you patch your socks, shirts, pants, jackets? Do you know regular, passive folks (so not the standard HN overachiever) doing this? I don't know anyone doing this. 2. Do you repair your home appliances? Same thing, I don't really know anyone doing this. Of course, this being the internet, someone will reply "ye…

> Do you patch your socks, shirts, pants, jackets?

Socks, generally no - by the time they've got holes, they're usually overall worn down anyway.

I don't generally patch t-shirts or boxers (same reason), but I do sew worn seams, and patch pants, sweaters and jackets. I don't personally replaces zippers, but there's a local shop that does.

For eg gortex outwear, it's possible to fix minor holes (like from sparks from a bonfire) with repair tape.

Re: The Framework Laptop

#985
I don't see the point.

I get myself a new ThinkPad every 3-6 years. The devices are completely repairable, every part can be exchanged. After the warranty period though, a lot of repairs don't make sense any more.

After my usage period of a few years, nearly every part of the device is worn out. The case is scratched and sometimes broken. The screen too. The battery (probably the 2nd or 3rd) reached the end of its life. The logic board including CPU and GPU is not strong enough any more for the newest software. I don't want to continue using the SSD, because the wear level went up, and I don't want to lose my data.

Normally I give away the device as a present, for some one who has less demands in a laptop than I do. I probably could also sell it to a refurbishment company.

So what would be the benefit with that laptop?

Re: The Framework Laptop

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tbh the adapter card really looks like a simple adaptor with an usb-c/thunderbolt plug on one side. it'll take a week or two for chinese knock-off to appear on aliexpress etc. what i wonder is: - can those cards be locked in place? - can i hotplug/hot-unplug them ?

They are hot swappable, and they latch in place. There is a button on the bottom of the system to release the latch.

Can they be locked in place? I'm wondering if it will withstand the pull of eg. the USB-A connection while it is being unplugged, and disconnect on the USB-C side instead.

Re: The Framework Laptop

#988
post #474

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For whatever reason, I've never used a laptop that wasn't a MacBook that has had a trackpad anywhere as amazing as what Apple has done. I don't know if the problem is hardware, software, or both, but as a consumer I don't care. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better. That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be…

I really don't get what is so special about all of these trackpad debates. Honestly if my trackpad can do a 2 finger scroll I'm happy. Worst trackpad I've used was on my x201, and was only terrible because it was tiny and insensitive.

I'm a designer, and even on my work issued Macbook I had no issue using design programs like Sketch or Figma with the trackpad. It was really effortless and sometimes even after I got back to my desk where I had a mouse I'd still be using the trackpad for an hour after without even really realizing, it's that good.

It even feels amazing, physically. It's smooth and your finger just glides right over it and still registers the touch with barely any pressure. The combination of the hardware, the size, and the software (drivers, OS, whatever else) is just the best I've ever used. Best of all, it's like that right out of the box.

For laptops, at least, I'm solidly Apple for the trackpad alone, I like it that much.

Re: The Framework Laptop

#989
This is the wrong way to go.

Put together a battery, monitor, keyboard and pointer in a foldable package, with an open space to drop-in and connect one of the many mini PCs out there. The "laptop" part could last for decades, while the customer just swaps-out the mini PC inside it every couple years to upgrade.

Re: The Framework Laptop

#990

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> mice aren't usable unless you're sitting at a flat surface with the room to hold one Trackball mice a good solution to this problem. I had work on a bed without a table for 2 weeks last year, and a trackball mouse ended up working great (I didn't like using the trackpad, since switching from the keyboard to trackpad on a laptop is fairly uncomfortable if you do it often enough).

> a trackball mouse ended up working great (I didn't like using the trackpad, since switching from the keyboard to trackpad on a laptop is fairly uncomfortable Switching from the keyboard to something an inch away is uncomfortable for you, but switching from the keyboard to something a foot away is not? I don't get it.

Moving to the mouse is a movement where the distance from my hand to the body stays the same, while moving to the trackpad is a movement where I need to being my hand closer. For whatever reason, I find the second easier.

Additionally, when I'm using it on my lap, the trackpad is basically next to my body, which makes my wrist position a little uncomfortable.

Looking back, I think it's not really the switching, but rather the comfort when using one for a prolonged period, for which I found the trackball easier.

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