Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)
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#22016.
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Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)
#4So, question.
Does China afford people and companies the same ability to “not work with the FBI” that the United States does?
Because at the end of the day, Apple is following US law by refusing to freely hand things over. That’s what warrants, etc, are for.
In the US we intentionally make it theoretically hard for law enforcement to do their job so they’re theoretically more likely to get the right person if the full flow of law enforcement, all the way through the courts with capable, well-funded and appropriately timed lawyers are allowed to do their jobs.
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#5Are China and the FBI asking Apple to do the same thing?
Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)
#6> STAFF WRITER
Thought for sure this was an op-ed. But, it helps to know the context was this was back in 2016.
Think about this: if only the snapdragon based devices were as well-designed as the Apple SoCs, the focus back then (and now) wouldn't be on just Apple - it would also be on Qualcomm and device OEMs.
I don't prefer iOS but I really wish Android's security & privacy were as good. It's slowly getting closer. But Apple is raising the bar again - now with anti-tracking features.
Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)
#7This makes sense to me, there is legal and cultural differences.
China is a sovereign country, and Apple is just playing by the rules in that country, one that is rooted in authoritarianism and surveillance.
In America, although companies could voluntarily work with law enforcement, the cultural norm and historical momentum is rooted in pushing back against big government and the people’s role in checking the government’s power. There are many different viewpoints around this and those ideas constantly changing.
It should be no surprise though, that Apple may have different strategies in different counties.
Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)
#8Apple does comply with the FBI, and a lot of other governments, when it comes to data requests.
Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)
#9Palantir's leader, Dr. Alexzander Karp, was, of course, entirely right in his prescient letter to investors earlier this year calling other big tech companies "potentially treasonous." The Apples of the world have lost sight of who actually holds their reins. We need a strong national leader to bring them to heel and remind them that serving the needs of the Western people and states is far more "moral" (and what do the Apples know about "morals"?!) than serving the needs of authoritatorian states overseas.
Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)
#10So, question. Does China afford people and companies the same ability to “not work with the FBI” that the United States does? Because at the end of the day, Apple is following US law by refusing to freely hand things over. That’s what warrants, etc, are for. In the US we intentionally make it theoretically hard for law enforcement to do their job so they’re theoretically more likely to get the right person if the ful…
Apple isn’t required by law to contest the requests from law enforcement. They could provide assistance without even telling the target. For example, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine
You are correct that they can’t refuse in China, but they’ve chosen to fight in the US.