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Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

sneak wrote: post #71
bredren wrote: post #9

Clubhouse requires contact list in order to get invites, which are required to sign up right now. I get why they are doing this, and it caused me to share my contacts with them. However, I resented it and it put me immediately in a defensive posture with the product and company. There is no possible way to trust a company with your contact list and Apple should make it how Photos works now--where you can select which…

When you leak your contacts, you harm others, not just yourself. This, among other reasons, is why I never give out the number of my SIM card, or my residential address, et c, to anyone. They're just going to click "allow" and give it to a thousand shady companies, starting with Facebook. I never give people data I don't want stored in my shadow profile.

> When you leak your contacts, you harm others, not just yourself.

As Eben Moglen puts it, privacy is ecological, not transactional.

See http://snowdenandthefuture.info/PartIII.html

Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by [deleted] »

bredren wrote: post #9

Clubhouse requires contact list in order to get invites, which are required to sign up right now. I get why they are doing this, and it caused me to share my contacts with them. However, I resented it and it put me immediately in a defensive posture with the product and company. There is no possible way to trust a company with your contact list and Apple should make it how Photos works now--where you can select which…

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Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by [deleted] »

Aerroon wrote: post #170
_jal wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clubhouse can bite me. I refuse to use tooling from shitbags who try to exort me into compromising others' privacy for shiny toys. I know other shops do it, as if that makes it OK.

I remember signing up for Facebook back in the day. They tried to get me to share something about my email contacts list. That just made me not use Facebook instead. Unfortunately, everyone else didn't seem to have a problem with it.

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Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by srockets »

tonylemesmer wrote: post #162
post_break wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean this is why they do it. You knew it was wrong, you knew they were going to take that data and mine it, and you still said sure.

That means that more than likely clubhouse have our details even if we have no desire to be part of it.

It’d be fun once they’ll have EU presence.

Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by [deleted] »

dehrmann wrote: post #188
bredren wrote: post #9

Clubhouse requires contact list in order to get invites, which are required to sign up right now. I get why they are doing this, and it caused me to share my contacts with them. However, I resented it and it put me immediately in a defensive posture with the product and company. There is no possible way to trust a company with your contact list and Apple should make it how Photos works now--where you can select which…

First I have to keep a burner number with a real sim card for things that require signup, now I have to keep a burner phone with no contacts?

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Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by skinnymuch »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #169
kzrdude wrote: post #126

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They do it because all the successful social apps need to make contact discovery easy. The ones that don't use this trick - ethical - we don't hear so much about, maybe they don't succeed.

There are quite a few that have not done it. I don't think it's necessary for success at all. HN seems to be doing pretty well, and it's never done this sort of thing, as far as I know. Reddit never did it during their growth phase, instead they provided their own seed content. Metafilter has never done anything unethical to my knowledge. There are many, many successful social networks which have not performed unethi…

Clubhouse raised money at a billion dollar valuation. Hacker News specifically and Metafilter aren’t in the same stratosphere

Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by Klwohu »

nbzso wrote: post #149

All the shady data schemes and dark patterns in todays idea of software business motivated me to look to my phone as an enemy and using the web cautiously all the time. Actually the idea of hyperconnected future in which 24/7 monitoring of the individuals will be normalised and mandatory makes me cringe. The Internet from force of good is turning to dystopian toolchain by the hour. And all is because we as society ca…

The Internet was designed to be dystopian before it was even technically implemented.

Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by bredren »

pizza wrote: post #175
csommers wrote: post #168

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They create ghost profiles for those contacts, just in case that user ever signs up. That’s fucking garbage and they should be ashamed of doing that, let alone immediately removed from the App Store.

This seems like the shady type of thing lawmakers should pass laws against

I see this as a key problem of our times. Social convention used to have a stronger impact on behavior. Now it isn't enough for behavior to be disdained, it must be flagrantly illegal.

Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by styfle »

bredren wrote: post #9

Clubhouse requires contact list in order to get invites, which are required to sign up right now. I get why they are doing this, and it caused me to share my contacts with them. However, I resented it and it put me immediately in a defensive posture with the product and company. There is no possible way to trust a company with your contact list and Apple should make it how Photos works now--where you can select which…

I was kinda confused at first to see the top suggestions were all Doctor’s Offices. Then I figured it out.

https://twitter.com/styfle/status/1358186671007760385

Re: Fake_contacts: Android app to create fake phone contacts, to do data-poisoning

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Post by bredren »

gherkinnn wrote: post #70
bredren wrote: post #9

Clubhouse requires contact list in order to get invites, which are required to sign up right now. I get why they are doing this, and it caused me to share my contacts with them. However, I resented it and it put me immediately in a defensive posture with the product and company. There is no possible way to trust a company with your contact list and Apple should make it how Photos works now--where you can select which…

I did the same and I’m still annoyed at myself. Clubhouse is pretty shit, really. So I sold my soul and got nothing in return.

Thanks for sharing this.

I have similar feelings about the product, but am curious to hear your reasons in detail first if you'll share them.

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