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Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

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Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

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> What does it mean for American innovation to be backed by oil wealth? > Uber. WeWork. Flexport. Slack. MapBox. DoorDash. Chat app? Office rentals? Adding a layer of ripping off restaurants to food delivery? If this is the “American innovation” the Saudis want a piece of, let them have it.

It's probably less about raw "innovation" and more about integrating themselves within the fabric of American society. This achieves simultaneous financial investment and political insurance.

It's about survival. The Middle East is not full of stupid people. They all see the writing on the wall. Yes, we will always need petrochemicals, but we're rapidly approaching a world where we need very little of them.

In another 80-100 years' time, we'll have nuclear fusion, and if for some reason we've decided we don't want unlimited cheap power with easily disposed of waste, then we'll settle for solar, wind, geothermal, and hydroelectric power. Battery technology improves dramatically every decade. Eventually we'll make some kind of breakthrough with some kind of material that makes storage capacity a moot point.

Dubai is already trying very very hard to diversity and become the Silicon Valley of the Middle East. Saudi Arabia wants to ensure they have enough investment to maintain the current Saudi way of life, because most Saudis are totally and hopelessly addicted to their government checks they receive from oil profits. It's quite literally pacifying the masses and preventing a type of radical Islam from taking over there, and I mean ISIS-type radical.

No one talks about this except for people who have to work intricately and intimately with Saudi companies and the government or three-letter agency analysts who know the country well, but to say that, "It's a problem" is the mother of all understatements.

Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

#92
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The problem is these companies often claim liberal, progressive values and that they are forces for social good. On the other hand they are flattering and fawning to a murdering oppressive brute in person. It's an exasperating situation to be in. We need Saudi oil so we need to be able to work with them, but they are a grievous threat to freedoms and civil society globally. It's not just MBS either, look at the way g…

Look, speaking as someone who had a customer in the area in 2010 who kept me alive... as in, their contracts kept me from homelessness... the US government in 2011 under Barack Obama supported a putsch against the government of Egypt in an attempt to turn the country over to the Moslem Brotherhood, which led to about 1300 deaths in Egypt on both sides at the time. In addition it cost my customer his business. The Ara…

> the 'rebels' they funded with their payment to Iran back in 2015

What rebels were funded with a payment to Iran? What are you talking about?

Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-twitter-content/twitter-r... Twitter removes hundreds of accounts it says are linked to Iran, Russia, Armenia "...Twitter said 100 accounts with Russian ties were removed for amplifying narratives that undermined faith in NATO and targeted the United States and the European Union...” Some are trying to turn this into a “Twitter censorship” story rather than a “Twitter fighting natio…

How do Twitter know the difference between a russian that doesn't like NATO and a state founded undercover PR consultant? Banning accounts on the combo of nationality and polical beliefs is shady.

I would imagine it’s more nuanced than that.

Twitter’s blog post about it is here: https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2021/disclosin...

Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

#94
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> Calling a country "Middle Eastern North Korea" in the first sentence isn't really conducive to a nice intellectual discussion on the merits of taking Saudi investment though. Calling Saudi kingdom the Middle Eastern North Korea is the best what you can do to conduct a "nice intellectual discussion" you want. Intellectual discussion is calling things their real names. It is a total intellectual dishonesty, and hypoc…

Saudi is nothing like North Korea this is just an edge lord comment. They’re completely different in a 100 ways. You can criticize the Saudi state without drawing comparisons that make no sense. “Is the best what you can do?” Really? Coming up with an inaccurate comparison is the best you can do?

> They’re completely different in a 100 ways.

No, they are remarkably similar

Effectively a 1 family state, with 1 party system as a decoration — Check

The few electoral opportunities are 100% rigged. Whomever wants to self-nominate gets secretly abducted, tortured, killed, and dissolved in potassium hydroxide — Check

Omnipresent domestic espionage, and political inquisition — Check

Adherence to a completely braindead ideology used as a loyalty litmus test — Check

Complete intolerance to any deviation from official political line, and complete lack of any real political figures other than the ruling family — Check

Peoples' one, and only way up through the social ladder is through the one party political institute — Check

Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

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> potentially because they think it's poor form to ask about LPs. It is, but I'm not sure it's for the reasons you are implying. First and foremost, Saudi money and oil money is an enormous part of global wealth /full stop/. That deep degree of intermixing happened decades ago; there's no putting that cat back in the bag. Asking a question like this to VCs who you are ostensibly trying to make a good first impression…

One can care about fundraising for their startup and care about raising untainted money without it being one's primary concern. Then you move the goalposts a little more and essentially say that you shouldn't be concerned with funding sources at all. The latter point especially seems amoral. It's all a bit of a straw man. I'm curious what motivations are backing your reasons for advocating for this position?

I just think that all big money is tainted and founders should be honest about what they're raising when they raise, so there aren't surprises later. If one reads the Panama Papers, this comes into very clear detail.

I guess I should add a bit more color here, which is I also don't necessarily think of this tainting as a purely moral question, as I believe it's also a logistical one. The more money is being managed by a fund, the more likely it is that some nefarious utilizations of it will come into the picture. I think of it a lot like the law of large numbers.

Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

#96
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Money = Power over what is spoken and done. Think about this: MSB meets Bezos and gives him a video that installs spyware into his smartphone. MSB taunts Bezos about his extramarital affair before it's widely known. Then his affair is leaked to the press. Bezos thinks MSB might be involved in the process that led to revealing the information. MSB kills one of Bezos's employers. Bezos flies Turkey to meet his fiancee…

i founding hit everywhere, amazon included

https://www.amazon.com/Dissident-Jamal-Kashoggi/dp/B08QTQFNT...

Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

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Plenty of anti-war friends from Maine & Connecticut penalized in that sweep. I doubt that the Russians have converted all of our old hippies into spies.

Could you link to your friends in Twitter’s archive of state-linked information operations discussed here: https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2021/disclosin... ? Not only would that be very interesting to see, but I’m sure Twitter would like to improve their anti-foreign-propaganda efforts - slash it’s an opportunity to embarrass Twitter.

Downloaded their CSVs. Most handles have been anonymized, and only a few hundred accounts in total.

Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

#98
post #11

When I was fundraising for my startup, after pitching I always emailed to ask about the LPs and if there's any Saudi/oil money in the pool. More than 10 firms just ghosted me after that email, potentially because they think it's poor form to ask about LPs. (edit:We were still able to raise over $3.5MM seed though, so don't necessarily let asking put you off.)

> potentially because they think it's poor form to ask about LPs. It is, but I'm not sure it's for the reasons you are implying. First and foremost, Saudi money and oil money is an enormous part of global wealth /full stop/. That deep degree of intermixing happened decades ago; there's no putting that cat back in the bag. Asking a question like this to VCs who you are ostensibly trying to make a good first impression…

You make some really excellent points, and having done this rodeo so many times now, if I was going to do it again, I would most certainly consider alternative funding. Thankfully I was able to raise the money I wanted and feel at least that it wasn't directly tied to things I felt uncomfortable with.

I also think that even though you're right, avoiding truly tainted money is near impossible, asking the question puts VCs on blast, something I feel fortunate to have been able to do (even if not common and they just ignore me as an edge case).

Just as one point of clarification, I always asked after the partner pitch, so I felt like we'd dated enough that it was an acceptable question to ask (I could very well be wrong).

Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

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post #29

Money = Power over what is spoken and done. Think about this: MSB meets Bezos and gives him a video that installs spyware into his smartphone. MSB taunts Bezos about his extramarital affair before it's widely known. Then his affair is leaked to the press. Bezos thinks MSB might be involved in the process that led to revealing the information. MSB kills one of Bezos's employers. Bezos flies Turkey to meet his fiancee…

i founding hit everywhere, amazon included https://www.amazon.com/Dissident-Jamal-Kashoggi/dp/B08QTQFNT...

It took eight months to find first one to do it and break the spell. Amazon turned them initially down, so did Netflix.

It was not question of price, it was already funded and was basically free. It became instant hit once it was released.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/business/media/dissident-...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bryan-fogel-on-hollyw...

Re: Silicon Valley Runs on Saudi (2019)

#100
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, speaking as someone who had a customer in the area in 2010 who kept me alive... as in, their contracts kept me from homelessness... the US government in 2011 under Barack Obama supported a putsch against the government of Egypt in an attempt to turn the country over to the Moslem Brotherhood, which led to about 1300 deaths in Egypt on both sides at the time. In addition it cost my customer his business. The Ara…

> the 'rebels' they funded with their payment to Iran back in 2015 What rebels were funded with a payment to Iran? What are you talking about?

The US had a very long running court case with Iran over non-delivery of weapons bought by the Shah. In international law, the US was still on the hook. There was a panel of US, Iranian and neutral judges adjudicating it and it looked certain they would eventually find for Iran. The Obama administration made a deal to pay off Iran in order to avoid potentially massive interest payments running since the 1970s.

Iran supports the Houthis in Yemen, therefore Obama funded the Houthis. Presumably the weapons Reagan sold to Iran in the Iran Contra scandal are too out of date to be useful to the Houthis.

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