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Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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Re: Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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if you have multiple jobs, you already have another job, so it was clearly possible.

You’re intentionally not getting it. I don’t know how to make this clearer than what I wrote, especially as you haven’t actually responded to what i wrote.

I'd would say that you are intentionally not getting it. I wasn't responding to you, I was clarifying for your benefit. As someone who's worked minimum wage jobs, I know exactly how it is, so I really don't need to be told. I'm also my union rep at work, so this isn't coming from a anti-union stance in the slightest, I absolutely see the value.

Re: Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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This is the original comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263369 There were others that gave different reasons, but none that made any sense of the "OMG six pages of instructions! Horrible!"

Maybe you didn't understand because you're focusing on a bit that the original comment didn't emphasise. The complaint is not about six pages of instructions. The complaint is about combining education with manipulation. Imagine a handy guide from your bank that included instructions for how to wire money to its author.

Yes, I suggested that as a meaning of what the OP meant, very early on, and it was rejected.

Second paragraph of response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26265969

Re: Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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I used to do extensive data science work with various retailers, including Target, Walmart, and Amazon. Compared to Walmart, Target is absolutely abysmal on many fronts. The amount of wasted fuel caused by their horrifically inept logistics makes Walmart look like the Sierra Club. And they were the model for substituting low-impact inclusion messaging in place of actually treating workers decently. I live near Boulde…

I've heard amazing things about WalMart's logistics systems, care to comment a bit more about the ones at Target?

I could write a novel. I'll keep it brief:

1. Walmart provides as much data as possible to it's suppliers, and expects the suppliers to use this data to then advise Walmart on projected sales and inventory in a collaborative manner. Target, on the other hand, has a data feed for it's suppliers, which is VASTLY inferior, unreliable, and the data isn't nearly as complete. A few years ago, they switched this feed from one system to another, and didn't think it was a big deal that the new system barely worked. This made the suppliers/CPG companies I advised scramble and have extreme difficulty in planning. The buyer teams at Target didn't care, and still expected the suppliers to do the same analysis.

2. Walmart has a religion of keeping items in stock and on the shelves. It's not easy to achieve, and they drop the ball at many stores on this, but it's CLEARLY not a priority at Target. They just don't have logistics as a core focus there, and it shows. My wife's experience of expecting a core item that was on the shelf last week at Target to be out of stock is typical.

3. Hearing trucking companies describe what it's like to ship goods to Target vs. WM is sad. Truckers charge extra for Target because they frequently find themselves waiting hours, sometimes days, at Target distribution centers to get their cargo offloaded. This NEVER happens at Walmart DCs. When trucking companies negotiate contracts with Target, this is something they have to "bake in". It's horrible when you hear stories from mom and pop truckers who get suckered into doing business with Target.

4. Target coporate vs. Walmart corporate: Walmart corporate has a shocking number of very high ranking executives (often in their 30s) who never went to college and worked their way up from working in stores. Bentonville, Arkansas is filled with these folks. They have a real "gut level" understanding of the stores/DCs and this is probably the only reason Walmart hasn't collapsed into gross mismanagement. Their worst executives have always been external hires. At Target, it's rare to see people who worked their way up internally in high-ranking roles. Much more typical corporate environment there.

Well, wrote a novel anyway. But yeah, that sums it up.

Re: Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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If you are unhappy with the terms or products of a company, you are free to shop or work elsewhere. That is the difference. "Capture of surplus" is hate speech - without those companies, there would be no surplus to begin with, that anybody could capture. If you believe those companies will capture so much surplus, you could also buy some of their stock and participate.

The things you read I swear. > If you are unhappy with the terms or products of a company, you are free to shop or work elsewhere. If you don't work you starve, or at the very least lose your house, car, maybe even your kids. There is no "freedom" of choice, and this is painfully obvious to anybody who is not stuck neck-deep in dogmatic ideology. > If you believe those companies will capture so much surplus, you coul…

Where there's a will, there's a way. Have you checked out crowdfunding these days? It's probably never been easier.

Re: Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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Go by market cap (for public companies). The markets are pretty effective at valuing companies.

/me looks at GameStop

There's tens of thousands of publicly traded companies worldwide, and one company having some weird fluctuations for a period of a few days at a time is a tiny little rounding error. This is the exception that proves the rule. All the other metrics proposed by Retric have worse edge cases than this, which they pointed out.

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Does anyone have an alternative site they go to to buy household goods than amazon.com? Mostly kitchen supplies. Amazon often sells items lower quality than Walmart. It sucks and it feels like they have a monopoly. I'd rather shop anywhere else. edit: Maybe https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/ ? I haven't bought anything there, but I might try it if there are not better recommendations.

Target is pretty good. One of my local Kroger has a large household goods section. Both have curbside pickup or delivery and prices are decent.

Thanks ^_^

Re: Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons (pro AMZN etc.) I read it as "Yep and Amazon are not the only large company that use them, so watch out! If Facebook employees ever want to unionize, Pinkertons might/will be sent after them too".

People read what they want to hear. I’ve posted comments that make it clear I support stuff, but because I (essentially) argued devil’s advocate, I was downvoted. I can only assume it’s because I’m supposedly showing sympathy to the other side (even if I’m not).

To somebody who believes in a black and white “with us or against us” world, “sympathy" and “support” are the same thing :(

Re: Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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Pinkerton are the corporate security company of choice for a lot of organisations...including Facebook

I think moderators should have responded to the replies here, this is why "assume good intent" or however it's called is in HN rules.

Yes that's what I meant. Unfort people take it another way.

Re: Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons (pro AMZN etc.) I read it as "Yep and Amazon are not the only large company that use them, so watch out! If Facebook employees ever want to unionize, Pinkertons might/will be sent after them too".

> Pinkerton are the corporate security company of choice for a lot of organisations...including Facebook > I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons It was stated as a whataboutism, which is a defensive tactic. If the point was to indicate that the Pinkertons are not unusual, then that would be the subject. Instead, it reads as "this is not unusual", which is incorrect, regardless of intent.

Author of comment here. No it wasn't stated as whataboutism. It was stated with the intent to highlight that Facebook uses Pinkerton so perhaps Facebook also has very deep concerns about union organising also. Especially as Pinkerton is historically well known for this sort of counter activity.

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I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons (pro AMZN etc.) I read it as "Yep and Amazon are not the only large company that use them, so watch out! If Facebook employees ever want to unionize, Pinkertons might/will be sent after them too".

> I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons (pro AMZN etc.) Because "this is common practice" is often used as an argument that "this is reasonable."

The comment was made to highlight that Pinkerton are working with Facebook (amongst others) thus Facebook may also be concerned about union organising. So watch out if you are trying. Esp with Pinkertons past record.
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