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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Pros: great news for value app developers. Unfair competition won't be as big of a worry and users will finally have to start valuing their apps (with money!) Cons: small retail sellers will find it hard to advertise and won't be able to compete with big ad spenders that use more wholesale ad strategies

> small retail sellers will find it hard to advertise and won't be able to compete with big ad spenders that use more wholesale ad strategies I wonder how much of an issue this is in the real world, i.e. outside of the valley or where ever people change their buying behavior based on targeted advertising. I buy peanut butter when I need peanut butter and not based on any kind of advertising. I'm running low on socks,…

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I think the Facebook case shouldn't be left to the market to "sort itself out", but instead this type of business model should be banned in its entirety, just like people cannot run ponzi schemes, they shouldn't also run "free" services in exchange for processing personal data.

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I'm not sure why this is getting down-voted, but I think the point here is the _fact_ that you have been put in a situation where, as an individual, you are concerned enough to do this is telling, crazy or not

This is really, really bad reasoning. Basically you're saying that there's no point in countering wildly untrue conspiracies with facts or evidence, the mere fact that people believe the conspiracies means they might as well be true? (I'm not making a claim either way on whether or not in this case it's true that devices are spying on us, just that this line or thinking is absurd that it doesn't really matter if a gi…

I remember back in 2002 when I took a college course on Computer Security and the prof told story after harrowing story of the lengths to which spy agencies went to get the information they were after. I remember thinking, "Well if the NSA really wanted to track everyone and record everything that was ever transmitted over the internet, I suppose they could. But nah, that's crazy."

Fast forward to 2013 and Snowden.

Our defaults for "they wouldn't do that" when it comes to your privacy are all wrong.

If that's a "conspiracy theory" that you need to dismiss so that you can go about your life, fine. But the truth is, these people are constantly up to no good and you can't trust closed software nor hardware. The technical capability for draconian mass surveillance exists.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.

Yeah that's a no from me, mate: https://www.timetoplayfair.com/timeline/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/robpegoraro/2020/10/15/apple-to... And so many others. Apple phone users weren't allowed by Apple to have Spotify as their default music program until recently.

This is true, but in practice on an iPhone the "default" music app didn't make a difference for me. I always had Spotify running (not necessarily playing, just the app open in the background) so when I pressed play it always played Spotify rather than Apple Music.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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>Two titans of Silicon Valley, Facebook and Apple, are in a bitter fight that centers on the iPhone data of millions of people and whether companies should be able to track that data as easily as they do now.

While two titans of Silicon Valley are fighting for control over our data my question is how we protect our data from both of them.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple just wants to be exclusive gateway to Apple customers. We are a product to both companies, even if Apple appears the lesser evil.

Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers. Facebook's are completely opposed.

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I'm worried the iPhone mini will be canned next update cycle. I wish I was in a position to buy one, but I only got an iPhone X in Jan 2020 to replace my dying iPhone SE with great reluctance. It's too soon for me to replace, as it works perfectly and I can't justify the cost or the waste. I just hope there's a mini iPhone in 2 or 3 years when I need to upgrade. I waited a long time for a new small iPhone and eventua…

I got an iPhone 12 mini (my first iPhone since the original) I’m also worried they won’t keep the form factor around. It hasn’t performed well in the market. I like the size, but apparently most people prefer the larger size and battery life.

My hope is that Apple realizes they created the apparent scarce demand by not having the mini format for so long. They need to keep the format over several years so the demand can materialize as people finally upgrade their old 5S and SE devices now that there's a viable iPhone for them. But those same people are clearly patient and are not in a collective rush to go out and buy new phones, it will take several years of availability and their old devices succumbing to age or physical damage.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.

Yeah that's a no from me, mate: https://www.timetoplayfair.com/timeline/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/robpegoraro/2020/10/15/apple-to... And so many others. Apple phone users weren't allowed by Apple to have Spotify as their default music program until recently.

Then Apple is bad and Android is bad too. So the ethical choice is to buy neither. I'm not being facetious. I'm considering moving to pure AOSP based, Linux based, or just foregoing a smartphone entirely.

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This is really, really bad reasoning. Basically you're saying that there's no point in countering wildly untrue conspiracies with facts or evidence, the mere fact that people believe the conspiracies means they might as well be true? (I'm not making a claim either way on whether or not in this case it's true that devices are spying on us, just that this line or thinking is absurd that it doesn't really matter if a gi…

I remember back in 2002 when I took a college course on Computer Security and the prof told story after harrowing story of the lengths to which spy agencies went to get the information they were after. I remember thinking, "Well if the NSA really wanted to track everyone and record everything that was ever transmitted over the internet, I suppose they could. But nah, that's crazy." Fast forward to 2013 and Snowden. O…

The poster you're replying to did not say that AMZN/GOOG/AAPL wouldn't spy on you, they simply stated that evidence should be considered to justify claims, especially if you're trying to spread those claims to other people. Your argument "we should sound alarms without evidence because tomorrow we'll have evidence" is classic conspiracy theory reasoning, which is why people will classify you as one. In essence, we shouldn't throw people in jail for crimes they haven't committed yet.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple just wants to be exclusive gateway to Apple customers. We are a product to both companies, even if Apple appears the lesser evil.

Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers. Facebook's are completely opposed.

Apple has its own ad network, not collecting and using as much user data, but it does see to retarget and have conversion tracking.

Will they put the consent pop up on App Store and News?

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