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Re: Firefox 86.0

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Post by throwaway077445 »

fctorial wrote: post #7

Firefox is the only option for mobile webdev since it's the only mobile browser with devtools. However I won't use it as my main browser because of insanely frequent (and pointless) major ui changes. It messes with your muscle memory. This isn't beta software, is it?

I'm not a webdev, but I think you can use the Desktop Chrome webviews to debug remotely. https://developers.google.com/web/tools/chrome-devtools/remo...

This should be possible on Firefox too: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Remote_Debugg...

Re: Firefox 86.0

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Post by skymt »

onelovetwo wrote: post #96
wpdev_63 wrote: post #94

If anyone from the firefox mobile team is here: please fix the bug where you can't scroll through the tabs when they overflow. Also opening whatsapp links for some reason doesn't open whatsapp but chrome does. This bug and several other nuance things made me go back to chrome mobile which is unfortunate. Especially with the fact that chrome mobile doesn't support plugins. I am a happy firefox user and the print previ…

While we'll reporting things here, please remove the `delete` to go back, it has fucked me over so many times in text fields. No other browser does it.

Backspace will no longer be used for navigation by default in Firefox 87:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1041377

That key binding was added for interface compatibility with Internet Explorer, which is less important these days. If you'd like to disable it now, go to about:config and set browser.backspace_action = 2.

Re: Firefox 86.0

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Post by _Microft »

agumonkey wrote: post #95
dtx1 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never even occured to me to use the menu version. What an upgrade

you guys made me read the menu shortcuts .. didn't know reader mode and all-tabs had them (in order CTRL-ALT-R and CTRL-SHIFT-TAB)

May I blow your mind? ;)

Ctrl-1 to Ctrl-8 accesses the first eight tabs directly, Ctrl-9 jumps to the last tab. Enjoy!

Re: Firefox 86.0

#104

Post by forgotmypw17 »

jangid wrote: post #80
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #2

What I'd like to see in a browser is a button which resets it to the UI from Firefox 1.0 [1] OS-provided window border and titlebar Standard menubar with keyboard hints, always displayed Five buttons: Back, forward, reload, stop, home Address bar and separate search field Status bar which shows me link URL when I hover a link [1] https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/web-design-history/mozilla-f... Personally, these days I…

I just want the disconnect button. It used to sit in status bar. I don't want to fetch things when I am reading downloaded articles.

Remember when browsers would actually cache pages and not reload them every time you accidentally blinked or moved the mouse cursor?

Re: Firefox 86.0

#105

Post by jwatt »

nogridbag wrote: post #100
jwatt wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We intend to add a keyboard shortcut for this[1]. In the meantime you can revert to the old printing interface by setting the `print.tab_modal.enabled` preference to `false` via the page `about:config`. In a few releases time, after we've finished integrating user feedback and polishing rough edges, we intend to remove that preference though. 1. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1667950

We have an application using a web based PDF viewer (PDFTron) and printing PDFs has always been a pain point. That library supports "embedded printing" which only works on Chrome ( https://www.pdftron.com/documentation/web/guides/print/overv... ). So for now we're advising our customers to use Chrome for our application. Do you know if this is something being improved upon? Sorry this is a bit OT!

Offhand I'm not sure what functionality Firefox is missing that has caused them to only support Chrome. I'd be interested in taking a look though if you have their paid support and can persuade them to either file a bug[1] (or to give you sufficient technical information so that you can file a bug).

1. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Core&comp...

Re: Firefox 86.0

#106

Post by ckcheng »

skymt wrote: post #102
onelovetwo wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we'll reporting things here, please remove the `delete` to go back, it has fucked me over so many times in text fields. No other browser does it.

Backspace will no longer be used for navigation by default in Firefox 87: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1041377 That key binding was added for interface compatibility with Internet Explorer, which is less important these days. If you'd like to disable it now, go to about:config and set browser.backspace_action = 2.

On Linux, browser.backspace_action = 2 was default since 2006-12-07:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action

Apparently, you can use value 1 to use backspace to scroll a page if you like!

Re: Firefox 86.0

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

ebegnwgnen wrote: post #24
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #2

What I'd like to see in a browser is a button which resets it to the UI from Firefox 1.0 [1] OS-provided window border and titlebar Standard menubar with keyboard hints, always displayed Five buttons: Back, forward, reload, stop, home Address bar and separate search field Status bar which shows me link URL when I hover a link [1] https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/web-design-history/mozilla-f... Personally, these days I…

Go to Menu -> Customize. Tick "Title Bar" Drag & Drop the "search" widget aside your URL bar Drag & Drop the Five buttons you mention where you want You're welcome. (for the status bar URL link preview on hover it's already the case by default)

Thank you for your reply. Your suggested solutions are not complete, however.

The status bar is not persistent.

Also, for whatever reason, the URLs displayed in the status bar are cut off with an ellipsis, even when they would fit inside the window.

The menu bar -- File, Edit, View, etc. -- is still not displayed. And when it is displayed, the keyboard accelerators are not. I do realize this is in part the window manager and OS's accomplishments.

By the way, most of the actions you described are not even possible without using the mouse. Firefox, and most desktop applications, used to be 100% accessible without using the mouse. (Mac has always been an exception, but it was covered 100% on Windows and close to complete on GNU.)

Re: Firefox 86.0

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

dudeinjapan wrote: post #12
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #2

What I'd like to see in a browser is a button which resets it to the UI from Firefox 1.0 [1] OS-provided window border and titlebar Standard menubar with keyboard hints, always displayed Five buttons: Back, forward, reload, stop, home Address bar and separate search field Status bar which shows me link URL when I hover a link [1] https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/web-design-history/mozilla-f... Personally, these days I…

Should drop CSS support while they're at it.

You can turn off CSS in many browsers. It is under the Accessiblity dialog in IE, at least in 6.x. Firefox also supports disabling CSS in older versions, and so does Opera before the crippling WebKit migration.

I can't imagine it being that difficult to implement as a feature. If the setting is on, you would skip interpreting any tags and style= attributes.

Past versions of many browsers support selecting between multiple stylesheets specified by the page, as well as provide your own stylesheet to use in place or in addition to the page's stylesheet.

(This was one of the main, amazing fucking benefits of CSS, to separate presentation from content, so that users who were hindered by the page's styles could turn it off and still be able to view the content.

And all of it works great if you do it right, because the styles cascade, and, I apologize for repeating myself, the content layer is separate from the presentation layer.

At some point all these features went away, 'cause fuck accessibility, I guess.

Meanwhile, CSS became Turing complete, so security-wise it's like having a second JavaScript which cannot be turned off.

Great progress all around. /s

When people ask me why I spend time on ensuring that I support older browsers in my projects, this is one of the reasons. Sometimes I just want to use a decent fucking browser that's not been lobotomized, and at least I can do it on my own sites.

Re: Firefox 86.0

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

stkdump wrote: post #3
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #2

What I'd like to see in a browser is a button which resets it to the UI from Firefox 1.0 [1] OS-provided window border and titlebar Standard menubar with keyboard hints, always displayed Five buttons: Back, forward, reload, stop, home Address bar and separate search field Status bar which shows me link URL when I hover a link [1] https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/web-design-history/mozilla-f... Personally, these days I…

Can't imagine anyone being happier nowadays without tabs.

Tabs were always there since before it was even called Firefox.

Re: Firefox 86.0

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

marcosdumay wrote: post #83
ebegnwgnen wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to Menu -> Customize. Tick "Title Bar" Drag & Drop the "search" widget aside your URL bar Drag & Drop the Five buttons you mention where you want You're welcome. (for the status bar URL link preview on hover it's already the case by default)

And have it all reverted at random because well "there seems to be along time since you last used Firefox, do you want to lose all your configurations? Yes. Later."

Each time I see that prompt I have to pause and consider the otherwise wacky theory that there evil forces trying to cripple Mozilla from the inside.

Why. Just why.

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