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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple's TOS surrounding this change prevent any sort of content-gating of this sort. Infractions may result in removal from the app store.

I'd be curious to see whether apple has the balls to remove fb from the app store

The world would be a better place if they did.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers. Facebook's are completely opposed.

"You're Apple's customer and Facebook's product" is often repeated but completely true in this case. It's all about incentives. Apple makes money by selling more products which means they innovate by making Watches, Earpods, M1, etc. Facebook makes money by selling your attention and data, which meants they innovate by extracting data from every experience they can (Oculus, Whatsapp, ...), using more complex technolo…

Also, you literally are Apple’s product to their iOS developer ecosystem, in the sense that developers fork over 30% of their revenue to Apple for access to you.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I'd be curious to see whether apple has the balls to remove fb from the app store

Honestly If apple can't afford to stand up to FB who can ? I dislike Apples closed ecosystem (anf google trying to do the same), but if it can weaken FB's grip on people, it might bring some benefit even to non apple customers.

I appreciate this kind of a view. You may disagree with a few policies of a company and remain in favor of some. Works for people, brands, governments equally.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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It's really weird. I don't think the "threat" is the obvious one... Nobody trusts Facebook -- many, if not most, people honestly believe they listen to their conversations already. The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight. A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers, and some label won't stop Facebook users or meaningfully impact Facebook. Hell, whe…

I'm not sure "Cigarettes will kill you" was ever meant to stop smokers from smoking. It was part of a generations long campaign to change the entire perception and culture behind smoking. And it seems to be working very well. I think there are parallels here. I see a focus on getting _current_ users to stop tolerating naked privacy. I think that ship has sailed. But in time the entire culture can shift where future g…

I think people forget how ubiquitous smoking was. I remember back in the 80s, you basically couldn't go anywhere without ending up stinking like an ashtray. And it was even worse decades earlier before I was born. Everyone bellyached as anti-smoking laws kicked in, but slowly, attitudes changed, and now, it's not such a big deal. I bet if you got rid of anti-smoking laws, you wouldn't even see a huge uptake in public smoking or smoking in workplaces these days, because people's minds have been changed and there are a lot fewer smokers.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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How can an app track activities in other apps? Is it only possible if those other apps use the same tracking networks, or can the app track activities in _any_ other app? How does this work? What can facebook extract today?

(I'm surprised a bit, i thought phones offer app isolation).

The only things that comes to mind is to correlate device ids from different apps if the apps use the same analytics/advertising networks.

Pls enlighten me...

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

Yes. Apple has its own problems though. The only reason it can do this is that it has a generally authoritarian behavior wrt app access (see Fortnite), as with closed standards for accessory connection, etc. This is a company that uses platform-exclusive APIs as a cudgel for compliance.

I applaud the fight in that it hopefully makes Facebook weaker but I'm not cheering for Apple having this power either. I'd rather wish for their greed to cause these two to destroy each other.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple just wants to be exclusive gateway to Apple customers. We are a product to both companies, even if Apple appears the lesser evil.

Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers. Facebook's are completely opposed.

>Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers

Not in China:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Seems to me like you're more playing "semantic ju-jitsu" than OP. Facebook collect data to sell targetted adspace, they do not sell data. This is a plain fact.

They may not "sell" access to user data, but they certainly allow access to it: "In total, it said the social network had special arrangements with more than 150 companies to share its members' personal data. Most of these, it said, were other tech firms, but the list also included online retailers, car-makers and media organisations, including the NYT itself, among others." source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technol…

What that article is describing is just that the Facebook Graph API existed, which always required user consent.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple's TOS surrounding this change prevent any sort of content-gating of this sort. Infractions may result in removal from the app store.

I'd be curious to see whether apple has the balls to remove fb from the app store

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