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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Seems to me like you're more playing "semantic ju-jitsu" than OP. Facebook collect data to sell targetted adspace, they do not sell data. This is a plain fact.

They actually buy a ton of data from others. So they are encouraging a market that thrives by selling our data without our informed consent.

I hadn't heard of this recently. Where could I read more about it?

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Targeted advertising works extremely well. I actually stopped using Instagram because the adverts were so accurate that it scared me.

to be fair, that could in part be the Baader-Meinhoff effect [1], where you'll only remember the ones that were scarily accurate (though I do agree with you). --- [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

I don't know what the hit rate was, because as you suggest I likely ignored the irrelevant ads. However, the ads that were relevant were so eerily accurate (including things many of my friends and acquaintances wouldn't know about me) that I didn't want anything more to do with the platform.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

> I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access

Would love to see some evidence of that. That's quite an accusation and it should be taken seriously.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

It's really weird. I don't think the "threat" is the obvious one... Nobody trusts Facebook -- many, if not most, people honestly believe they listen to their conversations already. The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight. A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers, and some label won't stop Facebook users or meaningfully impact Facebook. Hell, whe…

I'm not sure "Cigarettes will kill you" was ever meant to stop smokers from smoking. It was part of a generations long campaign to change the entire perception and culture behind smoking. And it seems to be working very well.

I think there are parallels here. I see a focus on getting _current_ users to stop tolerating naked privacy. I think that ship has sailed. But in time the entire culture can shift where future generations do not accept naked privacy.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Does anyone support Facebook with this? Does their point below make any sense? I'm supporting Apple now but any merit to the opposing side? Curious to get some informed viewpoints. "This discouragement, this is going to have a real impact on the Internet as we know it, which is increasingly going to move to a paid experience, which again, benefits Apple's bottom line..."

If you are starting a startup and plan to monetize it by selling data of your users, you have one more problem to solve now.

If you are starting a company with a very specific market, you might pay for your first customers more.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I don't like the wording at all. "Ask app not to track" means an app can ignore a user's request, just like with "Do not track" on the web. The button should read "Deny", and the denial should be strictly enforced.

It is a combination of both. Clicking this will deny the app access to the very useful IDFA identifier, so this part is strictly enforced.

However, when phrased like this, it does not JUST represent the access to the IDFA, it is a direct request from the user to not track you in any OTHER way either. And yes, the app can ignore that, but then Apple is free to deny it access to the App Store.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Can Facebook block access to users refusing the tracking consent?

Officially, no. That's against the Apple developer guidelines.

Whether Apple will have the courage to enforce them is another matter. We've already seen evidence that their new "privacy nutrition labels" are sometimes inaccurate with no consequences for the app developers.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

could you provide some examples beyond the “walled garden” of the iOS platform?

https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/15/apple-explains-addresses-mac-...

It'd be helpful if you would explain your point, then use the link as a support, rather than expecting others to deduce your argument.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Thank you Apple for being one of the few protecting privacy

Apple would be a hero for threatening _its own_ significant revenue streams with a pro-privacy decision, not someone else's.

One reason that people buy and use Apple devices is because they want to use Facebook. If this ended in a situation where Facebook was no longer on Apple devices, or somehow crippled on them, Apple could significantly damage their own revenue.
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