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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by solarkraft »

coldpie wrote: post #31
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #11

Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.

Apple are also assholes to users in places (no own software, no simple customization, absurd seeming prices, extremely limited and proprietary connectivity) ... but they also protect them like nobody else and are unusually reasonable in places, like with their software update policy.

It's a reason I keep thinking about replacing my current phone with a used iPhone X, though the 12 mini would be nicer for the screen size.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by madeofpalk »

whoisburbansky wrote: post #27
jahlove wrote: post #4

> Some apps, like Facebook, allow for some data tracking to be manually disabled. But by default, it is turned on. That gives the company reams of personal data on who we are and what we are doing, which it then vacuums up, packages and sells. My understanding is that Facebook does not sell this data, but rather lets advertisers create hyper-targeted ads, which are only possible because of this data. Edit: Certainly…

It's a nice bit of semantic ju-jitsu to say "they take this data and sell a service that wouldn't be possible without it" isn't the same as "selling this data," isn't it? Especially given that the targeting mechanisms don't have any k-anonymity guarantees, and I'm aware of at least one paper showing information leaks through the ad portal [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_events/122...

Well I guess there's a distinction required between what Facebook does and actual adtech/data broker companies that do outright sell .csvs of user data.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by Spooky23 »

jahlove wrote: post #4

> Some apps, like Facebook, allow for some data tracking to be manually disabled. But by default, it is turned on. That gives the company reams of personal data on who we are and what we are doing, which it then vacuums up, packages and sells. My understanding is that Facebook does not sell this data, but rather lets advertisers create hyper-targeted ads, which are only possible because of this data. Edit: Certainly…

"We never sell your data" is a meaningless statement. It's the online service equivalent of saying that a bottle of water is "fat free". It is consistently and prominently written because it is a definitive statement. Facebook used to feature it on the signup screen with some other statements that sound principled like "We don't charge for Facebook, and we never will", etc.

But when you parse out what it means you are left with something more accurately stated as: " will not sell its proprietary assets."

It sort of like the operator of a hotel saying "I don't sell rooms".

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by Razengan »

nojito wrote: post #18
mokus wrote: post #3

The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

It's not just them. Anyone who still has the wrong assumption that targeted advertising even works is in for a massive revelation.

It’s an insidious racket at worst, and at best a case of an emperor with no clothes.

Mass advertising needs to die off already. Just hold better search and filtering tools and empower people to discover what they want instead of telling them what they should want.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by notyourday »

tudelo wrote: post #38
nojito wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just them. Anyone who still has the wrong assumption that targeted advertising even works is in for a massive revelation.

Are you suggesting there is no difference between targeted and non-targeted advertisement?

At scale? Margin of error at best. I will tell you what my interests are by vising web properties that cater to them in that specific time. You deciding to keep showing me ads for a Nespresso machine when I'm reading about circular saws is idiotic.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

nojito wrote: post #18
mokus wrote: post #3

The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

It's not just them. Anyone who still has the wrong assumption that targeted advertising even works is in for a massive revelation.

Why do you say this? What evidence?

There are hundreds of thousands of businesses that happily pay for ads on Facebook over other platforms and see improved results after tweaking the targeting.

The issue is the privacy loss we get, not the efficacy of targeting.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by atonse »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #39
whoisburbansky wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a nice bit of semantic ju-jitsu to say "they take this data and sell a service that wouldn't be possible without it" isn't the same as "selling this data," isn't it? Especially given that the targeting mechanisms don't have any k-anonymity guarantees, and I'm aware of at least one paper showing information leaks through the ad portal [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_events/122...

Seems to me like you're more playing "semantic ju-jitsu" than OP. Facebook collect data to sell targetted adspace, they do not sell data. This is a plain fact.

They actually buy a ton of data from others. So they are encouraging a market that thrives by selling our data without our informed consent.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by Firebrand »

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #11

Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

I wonder if it’s intentional that Facebook products were omitted from Apple’s list of apps to download for new iPhone users:

https://m.imgur.com/yT14ZVS

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by Toine »

coldpie wrote: post #31
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #11

Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.

Anecdotal, but i just bought the iPhone 12 mini, and i absolutely love it.
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