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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by fsflover »

dfgdghdf wrote: post #268

Reading down the proposed spec sheet, I'm starting to see how crappy the competition is! * Apple MacBook - Nothing configurable. Expensive and not build to be repaired. * Microsoft Surface - Much the same, but with Windows * Lenovo Thinkpad - A little more configurable than a MacBook, and much better value, but still difficult to repair. Missing premium features like an Aluminium case. * Dell XPS 13 - Much like the L…

> I'm starting to see how crappy the competition is!

What about this laptop? https://puri.sm/products/librem-14

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by cam-perry »

getcrunk wrote: post #720
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

Have you used an xps? I really like my trackpad. Haven't use apple's

I have both laptops and both touchpads are really nice. Though Apple's is nicer for being bigger and I prefer their materials to the XPS.

If you run linux on the XPS this project (https://github.com/iberianpig/fusuma) is great for configuring multi-touch gestures that work like the Mac.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by vagrantJin »

Toutouxc wrote: post #865
vagrantJin wrote: post #688

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> I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better Funny that Commenting on a thread about a non-apple laptop that you'll never buy a Non apple laptop. That is true and unadultered fanboyism.

Where's the fanboyism in that? They were commenting on a post about how most PC touchpads suck and that for some people a great touchpad is a requirement, the absence of which would prevent them from buying other laptops, such as the Framework Laptop.

> for some people a great touchpad is a requirement,

The touchpad. Nothing else. Just the touchpad?

I'm not given to hyperbole but methinks there's a lot of info and technical requirements that go into purchasing an expensive item such as a laptop. Screen size and quality, keyboard quality, ports, batter life, weight, performance, looks - oh you know...normal stuff.

At least for us normal people. Maybe my mistake was there.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by vagrantJin »

rkangel wrote: post #883
vagrantJin wrote: post #688

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> I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better Funny that Commenting on a thread about a non-apple laptop that you'll never buy a Non apple laptop. That is true and unadultered fanboyism.

This is the best place to talk about that. There may be multiple suppliers of trackpads for the Framework and so they GP might finally have some choice.

Thats analogous to a vegetarian having something to say about the taste of meat at a BBQ joint.

But I'm an idiot so take my opinions with a boatload.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by folkrav »

gonehome wrote: post #562
folkrav wrote: post #543

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My point was, those high end machines that compete with mac laptops already exist. XPS, HP Spectre, Surface laptop, higher end ThinkPads and ZenBooks, Razer Blade Stealth and Pro... As for S76 systems, you can't really compare a $2000+ Macbook with a $1000 System76/Clevo ODM with the same criteria. They're just perfectly fine machines for what they cost.

> "They're just perfectly fine machines for what they cost." Sure, but I don't care about the 'crap' segment of laptops. I want more options at the Macbook price point. People often talk about System76 as if they are Mac competitors too, so I don't entirely buy your point. > "High end machines that compete with mac laptops already exist" And they mostly suck. There isn't a good option that's a clear stand out Macbook…

> And they mostly suck.

Agree to disagree - I pointed you towards 5-6 of them that globally don't suck. Macs also have tradeoffs of their own that you seem to have no trouble dismissing.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by Liskni_si »

fsflover wrote: post #909
Liskni_si wrote: post #404

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We probably need laptops with configurable keyboard layouts then, so that you can choose a variant when purchasing it and then replace it with different one if you find out you don't like it. (And then, let's not forget that keyboard layouts are somewhat configurable in software. It's easy to bind pageup to mod-uparrow and pagedown to mod-downarrow. But it can't be done if the physical keys are missing, so physical k…

> We probably need laptops with configurable keyboard layouts then https://puri.sm/posts/librem-14-adding-librem-ec-freed-embed...

By configurable, I mainly meant the physical layout of keys, configurable at purchase time. So that one can get a laptop with a trendy 6-row chiclet, or a proper 7-row classic ThinkPad keyboard.

But yeah, being able to override the key mapping in EC is an important feature as well, and I'm glad someone's doing it! I really hope for the future where all these pieces come together: a laptop with a good physical keyboard (configurable/swappable, so that everyone can get their meaning of "good"), with configurable EC, replaceable components, etc. That would be a dream.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by werber »

I looked at this yesterday and loved the slide out adapters, then last night I had a dream my macbook had them. Haven't loved a concept so much it crept into my dreams via HN ever.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by auggierose »

coldtea wrote: post #889
ankka wrote: post #864

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Doing output is trivial compared to properly handling any type of free-form user input.

A GPU driver for a new undocumentated architecture is "trivial" compared to properly doing an input driver for a touchpad? You make "properly handling any type of free-form user input" sound like rocket science, when it's the regular multi-touch kind of driver we have on billions of mobiles, and laptops... The "properly" here is just the sauce for macOS handling, not some inherent difficulty of "handling any type of…

It's because there is no great trackpad support outside the Mac. But there is good GPU support. So it seems, getting great trackpad support IS rocket science currently, for whatever reason. (I also wonder, what is going on there? I guess people on the other platforms just don't care about this detail, otherwise they would be on the Mac anyway).

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by pwthornton »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #372
IQunder130 wrote: post #313

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I hope this business of yours works out because a laptop that isn't a piece of junk with too much stuff I don't need inflating the price is something I've been wanting for a long time.

I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

I honestly don't know how people use PC laptops without an external mouse. It's incredible that the trackpads are still so bad. Can you spend a ton of money on a PC laptop and get a decent one? I have assumed it has been an issue with just using cheap parts, and it being hard to get people to pay for premium parts on PC laptops.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by jerrygoyal »

xur17 wrote: post #759
gwbas1c wrote: post #584

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Which distro?

I've been using Ubuntu for years now, and honestly it's pretty set and forget at this point. Main caveat is that you should do a little bit of research beforehand to ensure it will work well. It still has some quirks at time, but honestly my Macbook I used at my last job had just as many quirks.

Interesting. What are some things you wish could still be better in Ubuntu?
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