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Re: Being on Call

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Post by p10jkle »

gambiting wrote: post #40
antihero wrote: post #36

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In what hellish sort of company is 9AM "late"?

I sometimes wonder where the hell most HNers work where 9am is not considered late start. At a warehouse I worked at the shift was 6am to 2pm. And it was great that way as you avoided most of the summer heat. The software company where I work now, 8am is standard, that way you're nicely done at 4pm and have the entire evening to yourself. My wife is also a programmer and usually starts at 7:30am because that's their…

I work in the UK with mostly US team. Start at 10:30am or so

Re: Being on Call

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Post by bengale »

gambiting wrote: post #40
antihero wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what hellish sort of company is 9AM "late"?

I sometimes wonder where the hell most HNers work where 9am is not considered late start. At a warehouse I worked at the shift was 6am to 2pm. And it was great that way as you avoided most of the summer heat. The software company where I work now, 8am is standard, that way you're nicely done at 4pm and have the entire evening to yourself. My wife is also a programmer and usually starts at 7:30am because that's their…

I don't think I've ever worked on a development team where you could book a meeting before 10:30am and expect the team to be there.

I've always liked an early start for an early finish, I was one of the very few working early though in most places.

Re: Being on Call

#43

Post by 8fingerlouie »

gambiting wrote: post #40
antihero wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what hellish sort of company is 9AM "late"?

I sometimes wonder where the hell most HNers work where 9am is not considered late start. At a warehouse I worked at the shift was 6am to 2pm. And it was great that way as you avoided most of the summer heat. The software company where I work now, 8am is standard, that way you're nicely done at 4pm and have the entire evening to yourself. My wife is also a programmer and usually starts at 7:30am because that's their…

> starts at 7:30am because that's their first scrum

We have scrum inside mandatory hours. There's a fairly strict company policy that you cannot schedule _recurring_ meetings outside mandatory hours, and if you do, you cannot expect people to attend, so scrum here is 9am. Even scheduling non recurring meetings outside mandatory hours is frowned upon.

As for the schedule itself, it fits nicely with (european) family life. My kids start school at 8am, so i usually drop them off at school on my way to work, and get in around 8:30am (before COVID anyway). I get off work at 4pm, and have the entire evening with my family.

I'm aware that at least some parts of the US has (or had ?) a much more fluid line between work and free time, where people will leave work to have lunch with their family, return to work, leave to watch a soccer game (or whatever), and return to work, and leave work around 7pm.

To me that sounds much more hellish than just working 8am to 4pm :)

Re: Being on Call

#44

Post by cosmodisk »

p10jkle wrote: post #41
gambiting wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sometimes wonder where the hell most HNers work where 9am is not considered late start. At a warehouse I worked at the shift was 6am to 2pm. And it was great that way as you avoided most of the summer heat. The software company where I work now, 8am is standard, that way you're nicely done at 4pm and have the entire evening to yourself. My wife is also a programmer and usually starts at 7:30am because that's their…

I work in the UK with mostly US team. Start at 10:30am or so

More important question is what time do you finish then?

Re: Being on Call

#45

Post by ChuckNorris89 »

antihero wrote: post #36
8fingerlouie wrote: post #35

We have our "ops" guys that monitors the environments, and a list of people for each system that is more or less always on call. Each service/job that is being monitored has a procedure/description for how to respond to failures, and if nothing else works, the people on the list gets a call. You're not required to take the call, but you get a fairly large sum of money if you do, meaning people usually take the call d…

In what hellish sort of company is 9AM "late"?

When I worked in Austria and Germany, most employees started between 6:00 and 8:00 AM at the latest. Although there was nothing against coming in after 9:00 AM due to flex-time, it would guarantee you'd miss all the morning coffee chit-chat with internal company gossip and by the time you'd leave work and head to the city, the shops would already be close to closing.

Re: Being on Call

#46

Post by ChuckNorris89 »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #38
antihero wrote: post #36

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In what hellish sort of company is 9AM "late"?

Mandatory hours for most employees is "9am to 3pm". Opening hours for our customers is 10am to 4pm. Everybody is employed at 36 hours /week. Most people get in between 7am and 8am, and leave between 3pm and 4pm.

Just curious, in which country is 36hours/week standard? Or is it just your company?

Re: Being on Call

#47

Post by cosmodisk »

pram wrote: post #17
smcl wrote: post #7

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The author is in the military - I've read a fair few things by current and former service members and two of the most common themes are: - the disregard for health and wellbeing of each soldier - being required to do nonsensical things that are counterproductive and likely compromise medium-to-long term goals of the outfit you're attached to So I agree with what you said - there is very likely a way to schedule these…

One particular experience that stands out when I was in the Air Force was some Sergeant changing our physical training time from after work to 5:30AM. As in everyone commutes to the base and is in formation at that time. It was just sadistic torture essentially lol

This is a good example of why I didn't want to join the army. I understand the importance of instilling order and readiness,but it can be done in many ways, not necessarily with 'just because I can'. I've heard countless examples like this, the worst being where some poor guys had to carry a cigarette butt on stretches for a few miles, then dig a massive pit and bury it.

Re: Being on Call

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Post by bierjunge »

gambiting wrote: post #40
antihero wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what hellish sort of company is 9AM "late"?

I sometimes wonder where the hell most HNers work where 9am is not considered late start. At a warehouse I worked at the shift was 6am to 2pm. And it was great that way as you avoided most of the summer heat. The software company where I work now, 8am is standard, that way you're nicely done at 4pm and have the entire evening to yourself. My wife is also a programmer and usually starts at 7:30am because that's their…

I'm working for a small(er) (30ish people) software company and 9am is the general start of the work day, but it's not regulated or enforced. Some people start at 8am, but I for myself start mostly around 10am, except there are some meetings before.

There are only two rules:

- get the job done

- be in the important meetings/calls

Re: Being on Call

#50

Post by 8fingerlouie »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #46
8fingerlouie wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mandatory hours for most employees is "9am to 3pm". Opening hours for our customers is 10am to 4pm. Everybody is employed at 36 hours /week. Most people get in between 7am and 8am, and leave between 3pm and 4pm.

Just curious, in which country is 36hours/week standard? Or is it just your company?

I think most of Europe has a 37 hour/week work schedule, and because "we're better" we have 36 hour/week.

At least some of mainland Europe: Germany, France, Scandinavia, and IIRC the UK.

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