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Re: Quitting Twitter

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post #149

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Aren't we now seeing a reaction to this with the cancel culture? Getting rid of the assholes as vehemently as possible? Even though cancel culture is probably overreacting, I'm not sure if there is another way than to get rid of the toxic loud minority. I'm a mod in a subreddit that has a very toxic circle jerk sister subreddit. Like "jokes about the recently died father of one of the persons the main subreddit is ab…

The problem with mass banning on a large scale driven by whoever is loudest is that it very, very quickly devolves into witch hunts. Nobody wins. I used to run my own BBS back in the dialup days. Even then, the problems would be recognisable to a modern forum mod. The only workable solutions I've found are that the more focused a board on a select number of topics, the easier it is to effectively moderate in a humane…

> The only workable solutions I've found are that the more focused a board on a select number of topics, the easier it is to effectively moderate in a humane manner,

In my special case, we have a very heterogeneous audience because we are not mono thematical. It is quite problematic if you have people coming together who have widely different expectations.

> and that it is impossible to rules-lawyer your way to success.

I agree. Never do this. The rules will always be used against you, regardless of how detailed they are. And discussions about rules take up so much time. Keep them short and concise but also make clear that they are not set in stone. You will need leeway anyway.

> In the end, you have to spend significant brain-time evaluating behavior on a case-by-base basis, and be willing to ban, listen, and revise in equal measures. It's hard work, and generally unappreciated.

The "significant brain-time" is a problem. You are outnumbered and then fighthing and debunking bullshit takes much more time than producing it (the Trump tactic).

For my case, I came to the conclusion that being nice 80% of the time is good enough. Save the 20% evilness for the notorious cases and you can cut down a lot of mod time. Educating newbies is a different matter but for regulars, I started to warn them one time and afterwards I start temporarily banning in a fibonacci like manner for every subsequent temporary bann. Most get it then or even leave before I have to perma-bann them.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#262
post #215

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Because twitter will constantly try to show you content you don’t want in order to engage/enrage you.

Only if you tell it to. You can choose an algorithmic feed or a chronological feed. I don't know why anybody would choose the algorithmic feed, because you're right that it sucks, but there's also no pressure to do so.

As there's lots of confusion about this (I didn't downvote you btw) - it's untrue. First, it will switch you back to algorithmic feed at every opportunity. Second, it selectively show you likes and retweets from third parties you have nothing to do with. Third, it will show you topic based content (perhaps by remove all topics you can escape this, but it will try to add topics via dropping in links everywhere). Even if it just shows people you follow, you'll still end up seeing third party comments, and twitter will select those to engage/enrage you too.

Re: Quitting Twitter

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post #162

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To begin with: we’re a tech community. Building a better twitter is possible, so build it. Even if you don’t build a winning app, you could demonstrate ideas or designs for alternatives. It could even be mock ups or prototypes. Contribute ideas to making a better world. One approach is to leave twitter to the addicts manipulated into rage and just waiting. Either people will “develop antibodies” to twitter (PG) or it…

> Building a better twitter is possible, so build it. It's been done. For example, app.net. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/App.net I deleted my Twitter account and joined ADN. But not many followed that example. Most people stuck with Twitter, ADN never reached "critical mass", and it eventually shut down. I don't think this is a technological problem. You could say it's a marketing problem. The critical mass is essen…

> I don't think this is a technological problem. You could say it's a marketing problem.

Yes I think we're talking at cross-purposes here. Perhaps App.net really was better, that's great - it means we know how to solve the problems of twitter (given I haven't heard exactly how it was better, that makes me sceptical).

But I think what you mean is _replace_ twitter, which is not what I was getting at. That is not just a tech or marketing problem but a business problem. I believe that's possible too. But the skillset required is probably outside of the average HN member, so I was tailoring my comment for a tech person.

Another way tech people can contribute is making chrome add-ons that improve twitter, demonstrating how it can be better.

Again, that's separate from launching a company.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#264

My approach to Twitter has been to aggressively unfollow anyone posting content that I don’t want to be consuming. That ranges from constantly dunking on every opportunity to people who simply tweet too many times per day. The best content and discussion comes from small groups of people with similar interests who aren’t using Twitter simply to fill time or to build their personal brand. Removing everyone else doesn’…

My approach to Twitter has been to aggressively unfollow anyone posting content that I don’t want to be consuming Doesn't that just leave you in an echo chamber of people who agree with you, and you don't learn anything new? people who simply tweet too many times per day. I'm with you on that one.

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Re: Quitting Twitter

#265
Ive quit all of them a few years ago now i spend my extra time doing woodwork that is soo much more pleasent than collecting internet points and discussing with strangers..

Re: Quitting Twitter

#266
I can relate to the point about feeling 'unheard' on Twitter. It feels like the hierarchy of publishers and subscribers has already been established and there's nothing that can be done to change it. IMO, the real purpose of Twitter today is to maintain the socio-economic order; obviously, Twitter Inc has opted to achieve that by tweaking their algorithms to pin down and lock-in the broadcast/consume hierarchy to reduce popularity churn as much as possible.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#267

I joined Twitter in the spring of 2009 and immediately began grooming a set of programmers to follow. These were, in equal measure, interesting people I’ve worked with, famous open source developers, and random interesting folks who tweeted about programming. I really loved it. As a recluse who has no friends IRL, I found Twitter to be my one respite from extreme social isolation. It all changed when Trump announced…

You shouldn't discount people as 'descending into madness'.

There is a genuine reason why they feel the way they do. We are at a critical point in world history whereby the global monetary system is deteriorating and the monetary policies which are currently in place are making life extremely easy for some people and extremely difficult for others. This bifurcation of society is an expected result of that.

If you don't feel that there are any problems in society, then you're probably on the 'easy side' because believe me, it's unmistakable when you find yourself on the 'hard side'; things change very quickly.

It kind of feels like big companies are using big data to shape people's online experience in radical ways. I literally went from getting tons of upvotes everywhere I posted to getting only downvotes. The content I produce is pretty much the same as it always was but it feels like the online algorithms must have put me in the 'contrarian' bucket and started manipulating my online experience in a negative way.

Also it's frustrating career-wise because I became much better as a developer over time but I'm getting less attention than I ever did. It also became impossible to get any funding nowadays; you literally feel like a social pariah even though you never did anything wrong.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#269

My approach to Twitter has been to aggressively unfollow anyone posting content that I don’t want to be consuming. That ranges from constantly dunking on every opportunity to people who simply tweet too many times per day. The best content and discussion comes from small groups of people with similar interests who aren’t using Twitter simply to fill time or to build their personal brand. Removing everyone else doesn’…

My approach is similar but different: I unfolllowed everyone and now use lists exclusively.

I have a politics list, a tech list and a couple more. If I want to catch up what’s going on in politics, I just check my politics list.

> The mute function is also highly useful.

This feature didn’t do anything for me. It still shows you tweets but muted (you have to click to see them). The FOMO in me makes me always want to click on them to see what I’m missing out on. I wish they would just completely hide them.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#270
Twitter is fantastic in many ways, but a double edged sword is how rapidly things (including bad faith takes) spread. You can misinterpret even someone you generally agree with, fire off an angry reply, tag in high profile accounts, and end up with a total mess in minutes.

Other social media can be used in a similar way but the power of the @mention makes the "R value" particularly high on Twitter. If you say something in a podcast, a YouTube video, on a mailing list, or even in a HN comment, it's more likely to pass on by, even if it's something genuinely contemptible, than an innocuous but misinterpretable tweet.

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