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AAA survey finds 86% of drivers afraid to ride in automated vehicles

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Re: AAA survey finds 86% of drivers afraid to ride in automated vehicles

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After riding in a Waymo in Chandler, I can say that it's incredible how quickly that apprehension turns to boredom.

“Months of boredom punctuated by moments of terror”

Worth noting this is the summary of most all accidents with humans at the wheel driving regularly. This whole issue is a matter of psychology.

Re: AAA survey finds 86% of drivers afraid to ride in automated vehicles

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89% of horse riders were afraid of riding a train.

In that analogy, though, what we have now isn't a train: it's a half-finished engine that usually works as expected but sometimes spontaneously derails.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rail_accidents_(before...

Re: AAA survey finds 86% of drivers afraid to ride in automated vehicles

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In my teens and twenties I was very confident in my driving. As I've gotten older my self confidence and my confidence in others' driving abilities and attention to the road have eroded significantly. I've been rear ended several times, almost gotten hit by reckless drivers, and a few friends have died in traffic accidents. With every year that goes by, getting in the car feel more like a game of Russian roulette to…

It doesn't help that over half the people on the road have their noses and hands glued to their phones, texting away. Back when I used to commute to work via bus, I'd just sit there counting the cars that we passed, and I'd guess at least 2/3 of them were totally inattentive, playing with their phones. I'm terrified to even get close to other cars anymore.

Re: AAA survey finds 86% of drivers afraid to ride in automated vehicles

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In my teens and twenties I was very confident in my driving. As I've gotten older my self confidence and my confidence in others' driving abilities and attention to the road have eroded significantly. I've been rear ended several times, almost gotten hit by reckless drivers, and a few friends have died in traffic accidents. With every year that goes by, getting in the car feel more like a game of Russian roulette to…

> I've been rear ended several times, almost gotten hit by reckless drivers, and a few friends have died in traffic accidents All of which will happen to people riding in autonomous vehicles. I get what you're saying. But almost nobody fears their own driving on the road, they fear other people's driving.

If you are a careful and attentive driver you would have no reason to fear your own driving on the road. Accidents happen due to negligence. Someone is speeding/running lights/texting/emailing/facetiming/makeuping/eating/reading/netflixing/instagramming/drunk/high/distracted/drowsy at the other end, otherwise it just doesn't occur if everyone is following the rules of traffic. People who operate vehicles in those states of mind are of the mindset that getting into a bad wreck is a lightning strike event, surely not to happen to them, until it does, then it was the other guys fault and no behavior is changed.

You might know a couple people who always seem to get into wrecks. Some people talk about totaling four cars in conversation like it's the cost of doing business. It's jarring.

Re: AAA survey finds 86% of drivers afraid to ride in automated vehicles

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Ratings: 1 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 Average Rating: 8.2 % Below Average: 10% % Above Average: 90%

Driving skills are literally to be normally distributed, which this distribution is not.

Disagree, the first driver might get in 1 accident every million miles and the other drivers one every 9 million, objectively 9 times better.

Re: AAA survey finds 86% of drivers afraid to ride in automated vehicles

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Experience. Indirectly linked to age. When you have been driving for a number of years and have experienced how quickly and unexpectedly things can happen while driving, it's hard to completely put your life in the hands of an automated system.

I think it's more fundamental. I trust a computer more to react quickly to something unexpected than I trust myself to. Maybe I'm biased because I spend all day programming and poking at computers and almost none of it driving.

I'm in my early 30s, and yes I also trust a computer to react better than me in the situations it has been trained for. The problem is for situations outside of the the normal, which based on my experience I'd say is what causes most fatalities in road traffic accidents. The fact that these are closed systems doesn't inspire confidence either - I wonder whether regulations will change this later, to require third parties to evaluate the system.

If I were to buy a new car today, I'd for sure look for one that has some of the modern safety features like lane keeping and automatic emergency braking. Dynamic cruise control would be great for long journeys. But I wouldn't feel safe riding in a car with what Tesla calls 'autopilot' capabilities, or more complete self-driving like Waymo - although to be fair in a city due to lower speeds the risk of injury (to myself) is going to less than on a highway, so I'd actually say I'd feel safer in Waymo than a Tesla.

Re: AAA survey finds 86% of drivers afraid to ride in automated vehicles

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post #47
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's more fundamental. I trust a computer more to react quickly to something unexpected than I trust myself to. Maybe I'm biased because I spend all day programming and poking at computers and almost none of it driving.

I'm in my early 30s, and yes I also trust a computer to react better than me in the situations it has been trained for. The problem is for situations outside of the the normal, which based on my experience I'd say is what causes most fatalities in road traffic accidents. The fact that these are closed systems doesn't inspire confidence either - I wonder whether regulations will change this later, to require third par…

Dynamic/adaptive cruise control is a really nice safety feature which I use whenever I can. I guess the 'autopilot' capabilities is just another form of that, but I'd still be hesitant to be hands off and read a book.

Re: AAA survey finds 86% of drivers afraid to ride in automated vehicles

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post #19

89% of horse riders were afraid of riding a train.

89% of horse riders afraid to ride autonomous horses

A locomotive is a lot like an autonomous horse, comparing a rider to a passenger.
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