It’s too bad it doesn’t have buttons for mouse clicks. I can’t do precise mousing when the touch pad is also the mouse button. Too bad so many laptops do this.
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#802Ars Technica has a sceptical but optimistic/hopeful take on it: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/framework-startup-de... Edit to add quote from Ars article: Framework is promising an awful lot in its very first product—"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" is a pretty tall order to live up to. We very much want to believe, but it's going to take a full Ars Technica teardown before we're c…
With all do respect, but who gives a sh*t what Ars Technica thinks in regards to this?
This project looks unbelievable! I am super excited for this, as many many others are too obviously. I’ll be honest I’m not even going to click on the Ars Technical article, their opinion couldn’t be less interesting to me.
No doubt this company still has a lot to prove. Can they put their money where their mouth is? Remains to be seen.
But the fact that there is a real company out there, making an attempt to build a product like this makes me so happy.
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I'm not sure what you need "tons of adaptors and wires" for since you're only talking about SD cards, but to address that one example: what percentage of laptop users are professional photographers? One percent? A quarter? There are at least six fashion photographers in my apartment building and even I know they're a negligible slice of the population. Apple should not be designing their laptops around the needs of 1…
Who needs earphone jacks too right? /s
Exactly. I do need it. I also need mic/line in jack for guitar/any_other_instrument where _any_ delay is not desirable
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We will open up the expansion card spec and share reference designs to enable partners and the community to build their own! I want it to be open as much as you do.
Is there a catching/locking mechanism for the expansion module that holds it in place? It would be a shame if the whole module came out when trying to remove a particularly firm USB connector.
Yes (source: another comment that described it. lock & button to remove. hot swapping supported)
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Keyboard and touchpad quality were high priorities for us. We built in 1.5mm key travel, which is unusually high for a <16mm thick laptop. The touchpad surface feels great and performs well. I hear you on the touchpad buttons though. That is something we've done a little exploration on. The touchpad is an end-user replaceable module, but we can't commit to a three button version materializing just yet.
Key travel isn't everything. The layout is important as well. This is the best layout humanity ever invented: https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/c/0/csm_... Classic arrow keys, separate volume buttons, separate back/forward/pageup/pagedown, F1-F12 as the primary functions, …
I'm a big fan of Thinkpad keyboards, too.
But am I the only person considering a split ergonomic layout with thumb clusters, to give your pinkies some rest? The touchpad could live between the keyboard halves, and never be touched by mistake.
I wonder if that could be an option.
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The Apple trackpad seems to be really polarising - I often this see on HN: fans surprised anyone would dislike it, and opponents surprised anyone would like it! Personally, I'm in the latter camp. I have a 13" MBP, and find the buttons need way too much pressure, even with the sensitivity ramped up. There's also something I can't quantify... there's a feeling of it being laggy, and somehow "unpleasant" to drag my fin…
“Buttons” Not sure if we’re talking about the same thing with that plural, but the first thing I change on a new Mac is enabling tap to click. It works great and you can avoid the annoyance of the audible click. The second thing is to enable three finger drag, which the moves into Accessibility settings about 5 years ago.
Yes, all that. And then turn the sensitivity up to max.
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I recently strongly considered a System76 Lemur but ultimately opted for a Thinkpad X1 Nano instead due to reports of QC issues with Clevo (and thus System76) laptops. It's too bad because I think they get a lot right with bringing Linux to the general consumer market, and Pop!_OS gets a few things right that plain Ubuntu gets wrong.
How do you rate the X1?
I haven't had it long enough yet to say anything conclusive, but initial impressions are good.
Compared to a MacBook, build feels solid if not quite as rigid but that's expected with how light it is. Doesn't feel flimsy. Keyboard roughly on par with that of a 2015 MBP, but with a bit more travel. Doing lightweight tasks it doesn't get hot on my lap or spin up its fan.
So far have only used the included Windows 10 Pro license. Not sure how Linux fares on it but from what I've read you'll need a distro with a newer kernel.
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#808I love the concept. Finally someone gets what matters in a laptop. Other companies have made similar products (I have an ultralight Samsung that I love) but they always seem to lose interest and the next year's model comes out bloated and heavier.
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This might be a silly question, but it looks like the adapters are just usb-c/thunderbolt devices with a nice case. Is this the case? I'm not knocking it if it is, I personally think it'd be pretty clever, but it means being able to use them in other places (like pretending the storage expansion thing is just a usb-c flash-drive) and it would have interesting implications for making them.
That's correct. That is one of the intended use cases for our Storage Expansion Cards. You can use it on your Framework Laptop, pop it out, plug it into an other machine that supports USB-C, and transfer files at high speed.
Dongles, but built into the case. Amazing.
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#810Just curious, why Intel over AMD? AMD has been dominating the CPU market lately in price for performance.
AMD's competitive mobile chips are bit different; higher TDP, higher core counts. Not ideal for a thin and light machine.
This is simply false. AMD has recently been ahead in performance/W leading to lower TDP while also being faster than Intel. Mobile AMD chips can be configured down to 10W even with 8c/16t.