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Amazon Sends ‘Vote No’ Instructions to Unionizing Employees

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Post by tharkun__ »

chokeartist wrote: post #489
rendall wrote: post #465

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Speaking as an American living in Europe, I love GDPR.

Speaking as an American living in America, I love GDPR. Where I work [big-co], it is mandated that all of our services are GDPR-compliant, regardless of worldwide location. The only people who hate GDPR are ad-industry parasites. To that I say: good riddance, and don't let starvation hurt too much on the way down.

Speaking as a European in NA, I love the GDPR but it doesn't actually do much for us here. Many services are GDPR compliant but only for people living in GDPR relevant countries. That is very unfortunate.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

shmageggy wrote: post #490
throwaway894345 wrote: post #442

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A perfectly neutral and objective journalism hasn't existed, but the aspiration toward neutrality and objectivity have existed and even been mainstream at points in our history. In my lifetime, it's a relatively recent phenomena that media outlets were openly biased, viewing their function as "activism" rather than truth-seeking.

Maybe I'm just being cynical but I disagree. It may have appeared so outwardly, but I'm skeptical that the core motivation for mainstream journalism has ever been objectivity. I mean Manufacturing Consent is from 1988 and covers much of the 20th century, and it's not like things have improved since.

Do you think the media landscape of the 90s and 00s was just as partisan and sensationalist as today? Can you imagine the media reporting outright, easily verifiable falsehoods on their front page? Where were the 90s reporters standing in front of a burning building talking about “mostly peaceful protests”? Or the Damore memo being called “an anti-diversity screed” or the whole Covington Catholic affair? That was once the realm of parody. Before 2014, I think BLM coverage would have been “The left is angry about disproportionately black police shootings, but the moderates point out that blacks commit more violent crime and also here are some heinous anecdotes of police killings of white people. Everyone agrees that there are too many police killings. Stay tuned for a story about a dancing bear after the break.”.

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Post by alvarlagerlof »

faitswulff wrote: post #53
Zealotux wrote: post #10

From a non-US point of view, this whole anti-union strategy from Amazon is somehow hilarious to witness on top of being sad. This kind of propaganda feels like its coming from another age, or dimension.

Amazon literally employs a union busting company from the last century (edit: from two centuries ago, apparently): > The Pinkerton National Detective Agency was founded as a private police force in Chicago in 1850, and quickly expanded its reach; its detectives initially focused on catching thieves and burglars, but soon became the bane of the labor movement for their work as enthusiastic, vicious strikebreakers. Thr…

Are those the same Pinkertons as in RDR2

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Post by lotsofpulp »

plandis wrote: post #508
lotsofpulp wrote: post #387

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>which is why I think this needs to be approached in a structural way. The answer is federal legislation. How break time, overtime after certain # of work hours in a day, parental leave. If we want people to have a certain quality of life at work, I don't see any purpose directing any energy at certain large employers. All efforts should be direct to politicians, who we can vote in, to provide that quality of life at…

> If we want people to have a certain quality of life at work, I don't see any purpose directing any energy at certain large employers. All efforts should be direct to politicians, who we can vote in, to provide that quality of life at work. The US did that and the governments solutions was to pass laws allowing for unions. By unionizing these employees are doing the thing the government has already determined will h…

And obviously it's not working due to the lack of power labor has in the face of automation and globalization.

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Post by simlevesque »

sodality2 wrote: post #495
mywittyname wrote: post #454

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That would leave the job either half-complete, done by an overworked person, or available only to independently wealthy people.

Meh, I don't think so. You probably couldn't pick a random union member but there's gotta be someone smart, driven, and mad enough to do it for free and do a good job at it. Hell, if I had the skills and resources to, I would.

You are advocating for slavery, unpaid work.

If you willfuly agree to unpaid work, you will be such a bad union leader, don't bother.

You missed the entire point.

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Post by sokoloff »

pseudalopex wrote: post #509
sokoloff wrote: post #411

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> A professional Union needs funds to do its work. Absolutely true. > Over time the benefits members get more than pay for the union dues. That strikes me as an opinion that could use some supporting facts. It might be the case, but union fees are the same order of magnitude as many workers' savings rate. If the prospective member saved those fees over a lifetime, would they be better off? > If there's a strike at le…

Numerous studies say union workers make more on average even accounting for dues. I'll give you 1.[1] Unions have to disclose financial statements. Leaders can't just raid the strike fund. And there won't be a strike fund unless most members vote for it. [1] https://illinoisepi.org/site/wp-content/themes/hollow/docs/w...

If I'm reading that study correctly, those figures have an R² of around 0.23, which is quite low for explanatory power of wages as dependent on union membership (quite low as in the "none" or "very low" range)

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Post by throwaway894345 »

faitswulff wrote: post #502
throwaway894345 wrote: post #444

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No one is talking about bipartisanship. I chose my words deliberately; there is no subtext. :)

That seems revisionist. Your earlier comment specifically mentions “hyper-partisanship.”

It’s not revisionist, but I see now where the misunderstanding is. Partisanship means “commitment to an ideology”.
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