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Re: Quitting Twitter

#141
I had an account, but never used it.

But recently I noticed, it is really important to tell people about your projects. No one else you get that much visibility. Thus, I have now started using it more

However, I have barely any followers, so I am not getting any visibility

Re: Quitting Twitter

#142
These problems with Twitter don't just "happen". Twitter, like other social media companies, have unparalleled access to some of the best talent out there. Then they target that talent at maximizing comically reductive metrics like "engagement" and call it a day.

Twitter's design is extremely naive, that design leads to rampant toxicity and misinformation, and then they surprised_pikachu.jpg. For example: no matter how you interact with a post, you will boost it. So if you say something horribly toxic that incites outrage and reactions, Twitters dumb blind algorithm goes "NICE! Engagement!" and goes off to show that tweet to more people. Facebook does the same thing; every news article posted on Facebook has the most toxic comments right at the top.

These sites have designs that are not expressive enough, but they think they can get away with throwing ML algorithms at them; it does not work, and we end up with toxic cesspools.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#143

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I much rather prefer discussion on HN for the simple fact that it's anonymized. That makes it much easier for users to up/down vote comments and it just works better. It shows you what people really think. It also makes everything more equal because it doesn't matter who you are or how many followers you have.

much like a well managed subreddit?

Indeed.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#144
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Sometimes it introduces you to new people though that are interesting to follow (usually because people in your network liked their post or something). I find this generally valuable. If you want to be extreme about it, you can put everyone in lists and then this won't happen. You can also use a third party client that doesn't do this. My main Twitter complaint is the ads. There are so many and they suck. I'd much ra…

> My main Twitter complaint is the ads. There are so many and they suck. There are no ads in third party clients such as Tweetbot.

I tried to use tweet bot for a while, but I couldn't stick with it.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#145
Anecdata: I have the blue check, 15.5K followers, and follow exactly 0 people. I found it quite refreshing to use Lists to manage collections of people, not unlike what you would do with an RSS reader.

That doesn't stop the inbound (or outbound!) barbs, complaining, and other garbage though. I've experimented with special tweets with replies disabled, deleting often, and leaving Twitter altogether. The last option of course is best for mental health but really impacted my ability to keep up with important developments in the Windows community.

(I explored going private, but that'd require I get 15k people to unfollow me as they are automatically grandfathered in. Or perform the block-unblock everyone trick via API. Gee thanks Twitter.)

Re: Quitting Twitter

#146
post #83

My approach to Twitter has been to aggressively unfollow anyone posting content that I don’t want to be consuming. That ranges from constantly dunking on every opportunity to people who simply tweet too many times per day. The best content and discussion comes from small groups of people with similar interests who aren’t using Twitter simply to fill time or to build their personal brand. Removing everyone else doesn’…

Doesn’t this by definition mean that you’re in a social media bubble with those who agree with you?

That’s an interesting take. What is the difference between building a social media bubble and hanging out with friends because of shared interests? It’s almost as if social media comes with this intent that you’re supposed to confront yourself with the world or you are becoming blind, while this can often be a very alien concept in the real world that few intentionally do.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#147

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The concept of following still (at least to me) implies seeing all the content said person is posting. Twitter liberally uses the word "follow" but then doesn't deliver. They are not being transparent about your experience being manipulated for the purposes of generating engagement either. Most non-technical people don't immediately associate "contains ads" with "will use all kinds of nasty tricks to make you spend m…

Are they? The amounts of arguments and toxicity on that despicable website (enough to prompt highly-upvoted posts about quitting the website every so often) suggests they aren't? This is a very interesting point, to which I will say that people who complain or praise any product are always the vocal minority. As I alluded to in another reply, we regularly get impassioned posts and comments about what's wrong with iOS…

Most people are happy with censorship and a lack of freedom of speech, because most people have nothing to say, and a lack of such never affects them.

Most people are fine not having any privacy, because they believe that they have nothing to hide.

The danger comes from making it impossible to publish unpopular things or publish anonymously, or making privacy impossible. There is a percentage of people for whom these things are not only important but essential, and when we close off those options then we lose the important aspects of society facilitated by those people. Those aspects benefit everyone.

We should pay very close attention to the complaints of those people, even if (or perhaps especially because) they are a minority of users.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#148
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One man's need is not your obligation, and Twitter is a public place. I don't understand your analogy.

> One man's need is not your obligation I don't understand your reply. > Twitter is a public place. I don't understand your analogy. The point is that in order to meet other people, you have to go out into the public. But that doesn't mean you want to meet with and talk with anyone and everyone out in the public. It's a terrible tradeoff if the only way you can get pleasant social interaction with others is to also s…

You personally debating every stranger is not the same thing as not blocking anybody who gets a rise out of you. Maybe that clears the confusion.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#149
post #8

For a post called "Quitting Twitter", I think this piece actually does a great job summarizing the really cool things about Twitter. I think there's something a little magical about finding someone you really respect in your field, responding to one of their tweets, and getting a thoughtful response six minutes later! The toxicity is rough, though. It exhausts me on big subreddits, too -- it's impossible to have conv…

This SMBC was written in 2013, and I still think it's the most accurate simplified explanation of how social media on the internet tends to work I've come across: https://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2939 I don't have a solution. But it's a real problem.

Aren't we now seeing a reaction to this with the cancel culture? Getting rid of the assholes as vehemently as possible?

Even though cancel culture is probably overreacting, I'm not sure if there is another way than to get rid of the toxic loud minority.

I'm a mod in a subreddit that has a very toxic circle jerk sister subreddit. Like "jokes about the recently died father of one of the persons the main subreddit is about" bad. Some people frequent both subreddits and while they are just behaved enough to not be straight banned in the main subreddit, their behavior in the circle jerk would well justify a perma bann.

In my experience there is no reasoning with certain persons. Even if they seem reasonable 80% of the time, the 20% completely destroy any basis for normal discussions. There's a latent sentiment that creeps into every discussion if you don't remove these persons. Even if they haven't shown their bad side in the main subreddit.

Re: Quitting Twitter

#150
Considering quitting all social media. Twitter - Quit, Facebook - Quit, Whatsapp - Quit, Reddit - quit, LinkedIn - Under consideration.

Freetime++ Focus++ Adtracking--

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