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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by ogre_codes »

lovelyviking wrote: post #155
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #71

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They're just USB-C dongles that snap into the chassis.. You can see better shots here: https://frame.work This is an unpopular opinion, but I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. This solution is sort of clever but it sacrifices a ton of internal space that could have been spent on a bigger battery. USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. (the Nespresso analogy is ridiculous, a la…

>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

I must be doing something different from you. I have one adaptor on my desktop which lets me get display/ power/ USB A. It’s nice because it means removing the laptop means unplugging one thing.

I don’t take any dongles with me. Or any adaptors. My laptop case is just a protective sleeve and sometimes I bring the power brick.

It would be nice to have one USB-A port, and HDMI, but it’s not that big of a deal either.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by ogre_codes »

input_sh wrote: post #397
NicoJuicy wrote: post #230

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Pretty rude and then you ask them to focus on Perhaps there are more urgent tasks for "targeting the general populace to reach profitability".

It might be all market, but amongst tinkerers? I'd be surprised if it's below like 10-15%.

This is what I was thinking. Maybe even more.

If this laptop doesn’t support Linux, it’s a big missed opportunity.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by IshKebab »

> We’re here to prove that designing products to last doesn’t require sacrificing performance, quality, or style.

Mmm conspicuous omission of price. Still, the end of Moore's law does make this sort of product make more sense.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by whynaut »

tstrimple wrote: post #484
zepto wrote: post #456

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The difference is that software doesn’t take up physical space or use physical resources. The answer about how far we should take it is, as far as is reasonable .

Is the space actually being used more effectively? What can fit in the laptop without a SD card slot that couldn't fit with one present? Why is a smooth side with no ports somehow more valuable than a side with usable ports? You can't think you'll see any savings passed along to use for Apple taking out a part that costs them a few dollars at most. Removing the feature won't save any consumers any money, only reduce…

> What can fit in the laptop without a SD card slot that couldn't fit with one present?

More battery.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by technojunkie »

If this gets industry-leading battery power, it sounds like an excellent option. Would also be fascinating to see a wrap-around screen someday :)

Only one major request: reconsider the arrow keys to match the current generation MacBook Pro. That space above the left and right arrow keys is priceless!

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by boogies »

dopu wrote: post #506
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I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…

In my day job I'm constantly reading PDFs. Being able to zoom in/out, scroll, and move the cursor with such low effort can even bring me a little bit of joy. It's not really about what is most efficient. Computing should feel good. That's why it's hard for me to move away from Apple's trackpads.

> a little bit of joy

is a good description of what I feel reading PDFs efficiently, near effortlessly (which to me is near the same thing), and comfortably (also similar in that it involves minimal reaching, but also includes automatic semi-smart dark theming, easy good zooming, etc.) with Zathura.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by danhor »

GordonS wrote: post #574
danhor wrote: post #537

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I'm really happy with both of these aspects on my Thinkpad T14. It has user replacable ram (one slot), wifi, nvme drive as well as a remaining free m2 slot, used for WAN on models with that. Lenovo also tells you the partnumbers of replacements and I've been able to find many of them for sale around the internet. It's approx. the same weight and a tad thicker and I (personally) like the design. It also has a 16 threa…

Just had a look - I don't think I would describe it as a pretty machine, more kind of "inoffensive" :) But it is 14", fairly light, and replaceable parts is nice. Looks like it maxes out at 16GB, which is a deal-breaker for me tho.

> more kind of "inoffensive"

Fair, it's certainly not going for the eyecatcher look

The 16 gb option refers only to the soldered ram, you can expand it with a 32gb stick to 48gb, I'm currently running it with 24gb (8 GB stick). I'd have liked two ram slots, but for my purposes even 16 GB is enough. (be aware, some online shops might do the update for you and sell one with two 8 gb sticks, but I'm not aware of Lenovo offering something like that)

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by ogre_codes »

tomtheelder wrote: post #284
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

I think the SD card example encapsulates the issue perfectly. I'm pretty sure that in 2021 that is an _extreme_ niche use case. I feel like only extremely serious photographers and perhaps a particular slice of musicians use them. It makes absolutely no sense for them to have that built into the laptop. 99% of people who own Macbooks or whatever don't own an SD card dongle because they don't need it. However, and ext…

I generally think the whole dongle issue is over exaggerated, you can mostly just buy new cables (once) and be done with it. The SD reader is one of the big exceptions I think. If you always need a cable to do something, you can just replace the cable with a USB-C one and be done with it. Having an integrated reader is handy for a fair number of people and it’s something where you don’t otherwise need an adaptor.
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