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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by losvedir »

dublinben wrote: post #442
meetups323 wrote: post #422

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For general working, trackpad is better. You can type and move the mouse without moving your hands.

Did you mean a trackpoint? How can you type and move the mouse without moving your hands with a trackpad?

Use your thumbs. The track pad is right below the space bar.

Or, it's close enough that with hovering hands you can move back and forth between keys without looking. It's much faster to navigate a code base that way, I think, than trying to jump in vim lines at a time. A smooth, continuous scroll at easily controllable, different speeds does wonders for keeping continuity of a file in mind.

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Post by pbronez »

Alupis wrote: post #443
nrp wrote: post #183

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"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" was not actually a direct quote from us, but it's nice that the folks at Ars think of our design that way!

Any chance of one that doesn't look like a Macbook clone? I, personally, am tired of the brushed aluminum with black bezels and keyboard look. The materials can remain the same, but some colored options would be wonderful - like the HP Spectre x360's with blue and black options, etc. Everything else looks wonderful, particularly the mobo upgrades for newer CPU/GPU combinations... and even better - getting to choose t…

The website says the main bezel is magnetic, and can be replaced with various colors. Probably have to wait for future revisions before they do crazier designs... cloning Apple is a way to message the quality / price point they’re shooting for.

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Post by reaperducer »

boogies wrote: post #499
reaperducer wrote: post #485

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my point is that most tasks are either ① best done in a good text editing / development environment Your point is only correct if you replace the word "most" with "my." The fact that trackpads are hugely popular indicates that your needs are not typical, and you should not impose your choices upon others with different needs. would be better done with a specialized non-keyboard, non-trackpad input device Show me a be…

>Your point is only correct if you replace the word "most" with "my." The fact that trackpads are hugely popular indicates that your needs are not typical, and you should not impose your choices upon others with different needs. But Apple trackpads are not hugely popular, they have a fraction (~10%, likely less) of the global market. Does the fact that non-Apple computers are hugely popular indicate that the needs of…

I’ve previously used a normal Apple Magic mouse and keyboard to do all of these things

If you've used a Magic Mouse, then you've used a mouse with a trackpad on its back. Glad you liked it!

And no, rotating in Photoshop with the keyboard isn't the same as rotating with a trackpad. It's an entirely different process that is significantly less efficient, unless you already know the exact angle of rotation you want down to the 0.1°.

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Post by znpy »

nrp wrote: post #314
znpy wrote: post #239

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tbh the adapter card really looks like a simple adaptor with an usb-c/thunderbolt plug on one side. it'll take a week or two for chinese knock-off to appear on aliexpress etc. what i wonder is: - can those cards be locked in place? - can i hotplug/hot-unplug them ?

They are hot swappable, and they latch in place. There is a button on the bottom of the system to release the latch.

thanks!

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Post by CarVac »

ajford wrote: post #139
nrp wrote: post #61

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The arrow keys were an interesting challenge. We actually prototyped both versions, and the full height ones ended up feeling better to most folks. It's definitely a matter of personal preference though. The Framework Laptop comes in at 15.85mm thick and 1.3kg. So a couple of sheets of paper thicker than a 13" MacBook Pro, but a bit lighter. On the Expansion Cards, that is fair. We can say we're getting rid of the ne…

What's the chance of a thicker/deeper version in the future? I'd love to see one with enough thickness to support a low profile mechanical keyboard for custom layouts. With my RSI, I'm almost unable to use standard laptop keyboards, so I have to travel with a split ergo keyboard. Most laptops have enough room to support a split ortho layout, but aren't thick enough (or modular enough) for enthusiasts to roll their ow…

Wow, that Pineapple is amazing.

I gotta do that with a Mitosis layout for myself.

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Post by anuragsoni »

nkrisc wrote: post #474
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

For whatever reason, I've never used a laptop that wasn't a MacBook that has had a trackpad anywhere as amazing as what Apple has done. I don't know if the problem is hardware, software, or both, but as a consumer I don't care. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better. That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be…

> That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be the best.

100%. On my personal devices I don't want to compromise on trackpad or keyboards (I like that apple went back on the butterfly keyboards).

The rest of my comment is just my personal experience so take it with a grain of salt. I've found the trackpad experience on the XPS and Thinkpad X1 laptops to be excellent under linux. The libinput [1] drivers seem to work really well and the gesture support seems nice too. What I miss from MacBook's touchpad is force-touch. Not having to worry about which part of the touchpad i'm pressing was really nice when I used a macbook.

I'm contemplating purchasing a m1 macbook air as my next laptop, but I'm also not sure i'd be willing to give up on being able to run linux natively on a laptop I buy with my own money.

[1] https://github.com/wayland-project/libinput

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Post by neilparikh »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #478
boogies wrote: post #407

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I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…

> I’ve never understood why people care so much about trackpads. Because most people don't use vim and mice aren't usable unless you're sitting at a flat surface with the room to hold one. If I'm using my laptop on the couch, a trackpad is probably the best solution. (Trackpoint gave my index finger RSI, when I was was being careful.)

> mice aren't usable unless you're sitting at a flat surface with the room to hold one

Trackball mice a good solution to this problem. I had work on a bed without a table for 2 weeks last year, and a trackball mouse ended up working great (I didn't like using the trackpad, since switching from the keyboard to trackpad on a laptop is fairly uncomfortable if you do it often enough).

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Post by cdnsteve »

Exciting news on my bday, I signed up to be notified when this launches. I view this as progress in the right to repair vs youknowwho and I'd like to give this product a real shot. Bring on change and give the consumer options to customize, nice work.

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Post by trilinearnz »

Cool idea. Reminds me a lot of the earlier Thinkpads which had legendary swappability of components between models. For example, it was trivial for me to swap the superior keyboard on my T60 for the one on my T500.

Not seeing anything about the ability to swap out the display, however... You seem to lose a bit of flexibility when embracing the unibody chassis.

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Post by poutrathor »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #369

I really want to buy hardware that allows easy repair. That goes for laptops and cellphone in particular. Laptops used to allow easy replacement of battery, memory and hardrives at the very least. All that sacrificed in the name of making the devices "thinner" and the design more attractive. What bits me most is that a lot of younger friends I have, have no such expectations. Talk to them about a cellphone the answer…

high tech and environment considerations are conflicting way harder than most nerds care to acknowledge and it's a real issue.
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