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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by bee_rider »

funcDropShadow wrote: post #430
bee_rider wrote: post #271

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People seem fine with it. If you are bringing your laptop to a coffee shop, you probably won't need an ethernet port anyway, so you can leave the dongle at home. Lots of mobile use-cases don't involve plugging in to a ton of things, so why waste space having ports for it? We're mostly programmers here, with nice keyboards and big screens as a necessity for work. On the other hand, lots of people are completely conten…

But lots of other mobile use case do involve plugging in to a ton of things. I would like to have the option to get the ports builtin. I am not arguing they should stop making those crippled variants without ports. Luckily, macOS is going downhill as well, therefore my pain will end when the next version has not resemblance to a Unix system any more. The day Apple starts migrating its desktop OS to hamburger menus, I…

They could make different models and operating systems for every niche I guess, but people who need lots of ports and a UNIX-like experience on a laptop are pretty far out in the tail of the distribution I think.

I dunno. I've never owned a macbook because Linux has been good enough for most of the time I've seriously been using computers for work stuff. Even if you aren't a Linux enthusiast, the time to switch for developers was more than a decade ago, IMO.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by hedora »

Alupis wrote: post #443
nrp wrote: post #183

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"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" was not actually a direct quote from us, but it's nice that the folks at Ars think of our design that way!

Any chance of one that doesn't look like a Macbook clone? I, personally, am tired of the brushed aluminum with black bezels and keyboard look. The materials can remain the same, but some colored options would be wonderful - like the HP Spectre x360's with blue and black options, etc. Everything else looks wonderful, particularly the mobo upgrades for newer CPU/GPU combinations... and even better - getting to choose t…

I’ll take one in all black, with a matte display; will definitely pay extra for oled with insanely good black levels. :-)

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by tstrimple »

zepto wrote: post #456
tstrimple wrote: post #433

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How far do we take this? What percentage of Macbook users use the tilde key? How many users open the terminal? What percentage of users use multiple desktops? The reason Excel remains the dominant spreadsheet software is because it has dozens of features that other spreadsheet applications don't have. Each one of those features is only used by a small portion of the user base but if you add up the users which use at…

The difference is that software doesn’t take up physical space or use physical resources. The answer about how far we should take it is, as far as is reasonable .

Is the space actually being used more effectively? What can fit in the laptop without a SD card slot that couldn't fit with one present? Why is a smooth side with no ports somehow more valuable than a side with usable ports? You can't think you'll see any savings passed along to use for Apple taking out a part that costs them a few dollars at most. Removing the feature won't save any consumers any money, only reduce usability overall.

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Post by reaperducer »

boogies wrote: post #407
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…

my point is that most tasks are either ① best done in a good text editing / development environment

Your point is only correct if you replace the word "most" with "my." The fact that trackpads are hugely popular indicates that your needs are not typical, and you should not impose your choices upon others with different needs.

would be better done with a specialized non-keyboard, non-trackpad input device

Show me a better multi-purpose input device that I can use to rotate objects on a screen. Or zoom into a specific object without affecting other objects on a screen. Or configure to have multiple hotspots that when tapped can trigger events or macros.

Again, trackpads aren't your thing. Good for you. Other people love them, and millions of people get real work done on them each day.

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Post by vbezhenar »

warmwaffles wrote: post #204
CivBase wrote: post #165

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> What is really needed is a common chassis. I agree. I understand why that wasn't a thing 10 years ago while laptops continued to get thinner and bezels continued to get smaller and I/O was rapidly changing and evolving. Modern laptops are much more consistent, and standards like M.2 and USB-C have provide excellent support for low-profile expansion. Now seems like a great time to start rolling out standards for lap…

That's not where the money is though unfortunately. It's why manufacturers like the solder on components. Easier to manufacture and make as small as possible. I hate it, and think it's bad for consumers.

They like solder because it's more reliable.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by sydd »

nrp wrote: post #183
samizdis wrote: post #103

Ars Technica has a sceptical but optimistic/hopeful take on it: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/framework-startup-de... Edit to add quote from Ars article: Framework is promising an awful lot in its very first product—"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" is a pretty tall order to live up to. We very much want to believe, but it's going to take a full Ars Technica teardown before we're c…

"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" was not actually a direct quote from us, but it's nice that the folks at Ars think of our design that way!

I really like the concept, congrats on making it a product!

For me I have 3 concerns: 1. I'd never use a 13" laptop it's too small for work for me. Any chance of a 15" version? It'd be also cool if it could be used to light gaming (e.g. an Nvidia 1650 included)

2. Pricing. If this will be priced as Macbook pros you will have a very niche segment as customers (basically silicon valley tech people)

3. As I'm in the EU shipping needs to have a sane price (I can understand if this is not the priority at the start)

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by reaperducer »

Alupis wrote: post #443
nrp wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" was not actually a direct quote from us, but it's nice that the folks at Ars think of our design that way!

Any chance of one that doesn't look like a Macbook clone? I, personally, am tired of the brushed aluminum with black bezels and keyboard look. The materials can remain the same, but some colored options would be wonderful - like the HP Spectre x360's with blue and black options, etc. Everything else looks wonderful, particularly the mobo upgrades for newer CPU/GPU combinations... and even better - getting to choose t…

Any chance of one that doesn't look like a Macbook clone?

If it came in certain tasteful colors, that would get my wife to switch from Apple to Linux. (She works in the fashion industry.)

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