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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by smoldesu »

gwbas1c wrote: post #401

I'm a Mac user, mostly because I like the simplicity of the hardware. If/when I return to Windows, a Framework laptop is definitely appealing. I'd rather change the ports than deal with a handful of dongles and adaptors. One thing to consider: I really want to try a laptop that comes with a good, well-supported Linux installation. (I haven't tried desktop Linux since the early 2000s.) I'm less concerned about "distro…

Side note, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised with how far Linux has come. I recently returned to it for the first time in a decade, and it's pretty remarkable how mature the operating system is. Almost all of my "essential" apps have native versions (eg. Matrix, Spotify, Discord, Steam) and the ones that don't can be pretty easily emulated through Wine. It only took 2 weeks of playing around with KDE on my Macbook before I put it on my desktop as well. 2 months later, I'm still loving the decision.

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Post by jokoon »

I hope it tries to follow a minimum of high standard for dust, humidity and heat, a little like thinkpads do.

There are military standards for this, and I think it helps a lot to have a laptop that is durable.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by marcodiego »

nrp wrote: post #227
marcodiego wrote: post #135

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Any chance of the company ever releasing only the chassis so I can buy it and put my favorite arm sbc inside it?

Actually, yes! We will be offering the chassis by itself. The intent is to make sure that someone can get back into a good state if they drop their laptop down the stairs or something, but there is nothing preventing you from picking one up to use for your own projects (though adapting everything to work with an ARM SBC would be non-trivial).

Cool! Please make the display hdmi compatible and you will own an entire underserved market.

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Post by webmobdev »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #327
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

I'm not sure what you need "tons of adaptors and wires" for since you're only talking about SD cards, but to address that one example: what percentage of laptop users are professional photographers? One percent? A quarter? There are at least six fashion photographers in my apartment building and even I know they're a negligible slice of the population. Apple should not be designing their laptops around the needs of 1…

Who needs earphone jacks too right? /s

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Post by GordonS »

nrp wrote: post #323
skavi wrote: post #197

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There doesn’t seem to be much space left for a large battery. Do you have any estimates on capacity?

We integrated a 55Wh battery, which is pretty typical for 13.5-14" notebooks.

Will the internal layout (and thermal characteristics) allow for a larger battery, perhaps at the expense of ports/expansion slots?

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Post by frant-hartm »

mnahkies wrote: post #415
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

Use the keyboard predominantly instead of the trackpad and problem mitigated ;) I've been using Linux exclusively on ~5 different laptops of varying quality the last few years and I haven't been able to relate to the frequent comments about trackpad support being poor - not sure if it's just I don't use it that much, or don't realize what I'm missing since I haven't used a modern macbook. My biggest gripe applies to…

>don't realize what I'm missing since I haven't used a modern macbook

That's what I thought as well, but every time I try to use my colleagues Mac it's a struggle, movement speed is really weird as it's not linear, tapping doesn't behave as one would expect (never had a problem with Linux or even windows with that). The whole thing is a weird button which presses when I don't want to.

True, I have used it maybe for 10 mins in total in.my life, so that's probably the main issue (I hope for the sake of the people who actually use it).

On the other hand I have seen long time users and it makes me cringe. What a pain, learn some shortcuts and use it for random text selection only.

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Post by f6v »

kiwijamo wrote: post #316
f6v wrote: post #218

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Don’t get me wrong, it’d be great to have a good Linux laptop on the market. However, I’ve read too many Dell XPS reviews to stay on Mac(which is suboptimal due to the nature of my work). There’s always something that is misbehaving on Linux laptops: WiFi, the sleep mode(i.e. you open the laptop and it’s ready to work), touchpad, fingerprint reader. Maybe it’s too much to ask, but i) is your laptop MacBook-level smoo…

I bought a Lenovo X1 Carbon expecting excatly the situation you describe so stuck with the preinstalled Windows 10 for some months. I was pleasantly surprised when I summoned up the courage to try Debian. I had no trouble at all with all you described except the fingerprint reader (which Windows 10 also had trouble with FWIW). Was not planning on Linux as my daily driver but from Day 1 it worked well enough as an imm…

Fingerprint reader is definitely not the top priority, but saves a lot of typing when retrieving a password from the password manager. And yes, I think all MBPs that have a Touch Bar had one, new airs as well.

How’s battery life and thermals under Debian? I guess all Intel CPUs get hot, but at least my MBP is quiet enough. Battery life life isn’t that great though.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by GordonS »

kieranl wrote: post #444
robotnikman wrote: post #281

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Now I'm curious if extra batteries will be possible to plug into the modules

technically possible as all 4 ports support usb-c PD, but the modules are not big enough to support any reasonable capacity. It is a path to connect something like a slice battery that you could attach to the bottom however!

I've never heard of a "slice battery", but I'm guessing you mean a thin, wedge-shaped battery than would sit underneath the laptop? If so, wouldn't rising heat from the battery be a problem?
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