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One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

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Re: One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

#51

Is this perpetual? For example, could I pay my yearly subscription fee, torrent anything I want, upload it and get a legit version? If so, this is $25 a year for all the music I want. Which, if the labels have agreed to that, it's very surprising. It's sort of a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" strategy: they start getting a cut of this fee from every participating pirate, which is a lot more than they used to get (…

I'm not sure I understand the annual subscription. If I don't renew my subscription, does all my ripped/uploaded music go away? Or do I just lose access to more ripping/uploading?

It appears to be the ability to 'upload' or match new songs and then have them wirelessly sync over the internet to all of your devices would disappear. AAC doesn't have the ability to 'expire' content, as far as I know?

Re: One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

#52
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What I am curious about is if there would be anything stopping someone from paying the $25 once to convert all of their previously pirated tracks to "legit" 256 kbps AAC tracks...this seems strange to me.

Those previously pirated tracks aren't suddenly "legit" because Apple transcoded them to another format. The $25 is essentially a transcoding fee-- it is not a license fee for previously unlicensed tracks.

Re: One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

#53
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's what I don't understand about your (and a lot of people's, I don't mean to pick on you) comments, please help me understand this: Pirated files are not necessarily identifiable as such, not in the digital world. If I download some albums from what.cd, you can't tell they're pirated, maybe I ripped them with the exact same version of LAME. What I'm trying to say is that today, having a pirated file isn't a prop…

Once you have a receipt from Apple for the music, you have proof of ownership. If you accidentally lost the CD between then and the time you get your PC taken away for discovery in a copyright infringement lawsuit, that's plausible deniability. At least, way more so than just having 2TB of MP3s laying around with no media you ripped them from at all...

Not really. Once you have a receipt from Apple, you have documentation that you used Apple's transcoding service.

If you accidentally lost 2TB worth of CDs between that time and the seizure of your PC, you're still going to have some explaining to do.

Re: One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

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If it's DRM free, how will the yearly subscription work? It's not like the tracks can expire.

It isn't a subscription to your music, it's a subscription to the matching service. The point of iCloud is that they'll sync all of your music that you've bought from iTunes to all your devices. No more connecting your iPhone to your computer or managing the 2 computers you have with iTunes and how they get copied and such. Now, for music that you've ripped or bought from other sources, Apple is offering a matching s…

" Basically, it'll look through your collection and if they're in iTunes Apple will note that you already own those songs and allow you to also sync those songs via the new iCloud sync mechanism."

I know that is what was said, but its like saying "you just add extra water to your gas tank and you'll get mileage based on the number of gallons in your tank, whether or not its all gas."

The sentence construction is coherent but conceptually it doesn't pass the sniff test. Here is the rub.

"music that you own"

Unless you've been living under a rock for the last 20 years you know that there are two interpretations of this phrase. There is the consumer interpretation:

"I bought the CD at the store, I can do anything I want with it, copy it, transcode it, destroy it, use components in a playlist I've created, or use parts in my amateur video on squirrels."

There is the RIAA/Music Label interpretation:

"You don't own the music you own a piece of polycarbonate plastic which can reproduce the performance of the noted artist in an sanctioned playing device that has not been modified in any way. You and no more than 12 friends present, and who have not paid you any consideration for hearing said performance. Any other use is strictly and unequivocally forbidden."

For years, even though the record labels had no way to enforce their view of what you could and could not do with the music in your possession, they really haven't varied all that much in their opinion what rights they didn't give you.

So when you say "music you own" it reads like you have the consumer interpretation of that phrase, and yet Apple isn't a consumer, they are animated pile of cash which sells player devices, so it is incredulous to me that the music industry would simply "let" them do what you have described they are offering to do.

If you (and Apple) had instead said to take advantage of this services it is required that you go to an Apple store with your original CD, which would be photographed with you by an Apple employee where they would record your name, birth date, receipt or other information you brought along to prove you had acquired the CD legally, and a sample of your DNA. Then they would exchange your CD for a unique identifying code that you could apply to your iTunes account which would enable you to listen to that CD via iTunes on any device connected to iCloud but would not allow you to transfer the song from the iCloud for 'offline' playing.

If you told me that that was what Apple was offering I'd just nod my head and believe you.

Re: One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

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mp3.com tried something very similar without music industry permission in 2000. It was brash and very forward thinking; they pre-ripped a ton of stuff, would identify your CD when you put it in and then unlock it for you to be played through the site. My buddy's brother was working there at the time and when he told me they were trying this, my immediate reaction was "They are gonna get sued into oblivion." Which, of…

Interestingly, today's Apple announcement is harmful to Michael Robertson's other music-related endeavor, mp3tunes (cloud "music locker" service).

Re: One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

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iTunes Match premise: Once a pirate, not always a pirate. Pirates are willing to pay $25 / yr for legit 256 kbps AAC tracks of stuff they already have? And you must keep paying $25/yr in perpetuity for access to these tracks?

This just sounds surreal. So instead of buying music, you can now "pirate" it, then allow iTunes Match to "legitimize it" for you. Bingo, free "legitimate" music (I assume with artwork/etc included).

I suppose its possible that all of the music in torrents has been finger printed in some way or another which would identify it. Unlikely though.

Re: One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

#57

Is this perpetual? For example, could I pay my yearly subscription fee, torrent anything I want, upload it and get a legit version? If so, this is $25 a year for all the music I want. Which, if the labels have agreed to that, it's very surprising. It's sort of a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" strategy: they start getting a cut of this fee from every participating pirate, which is a lot more than they used to get (…

I don't know what the demographic spread here is, but I'm 99.99% sure that none of the 800 people on my phone/facebook pay for every CD they want. More frequently, I find people buy CDs to support certain artists, and not just to have a legal copy.

If this is the case, Apple's move is actually ingenious. I daresay a lot of pirates (who currently contribute $0) will pay $25/year for their music to be legal... for legal or moral reasons. The potential loss of revenue will lie on the people who buy 1-2 CDs/year. However, $25/year is likely more than the average amount these people pay, so it's still a plus, even if they stop buying the original CDs. I bet though, they won't.

I see this as a huge gain in revenue.

Re: One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

#59

Is this perpetual? For example, could I pay my yearly subscription fee, torrent anything I want, upload it and get a legit version? If so, this is $25 a year for all the music I want. Which, if the labels have agreed to that, it's very surprising. It's sort of a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" strategy: they start getting a cut of this fee from every participating pirate, which is a lot more than they used to get (…

Torrenting those files will still be illegal and that doesn’t change after you sign up for this service and pay. It’s not an amnesty. (Also: Pirates are usually not caught by looking at the files they have on their HDD. Whether you have the original torrented files or Apple’s music files around doesn’t make a difference.)

You can get those pirated files in slightly better quality and you won’t have to upload them to Apple if you want to use their music locker. Big deal.

Re: One More Thing: ‘iTunes Match’ Will Upgrade Your Ripped Music For $24.99 A Year

#60
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand the annual subscription. If I don't renew my subscription, does all my ripped/uploaded music go away? Or do I just lose access to more ripping/uploading?

It appears to be the ability to 'upload' or match new songs and then have them wirelessly sync over the internet to all of your devices would disappear. AAC doesn't have the ability to 'expire' content, as far as I know?

Apple’s DRM container files used AAC encoded audio. (This service seems to be without DRM, though.)
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