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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by soared »

marcodiego wrote: post #82

What is really needed is a common chassis. A common carcass that allows me the put whatever I want inside it. If I want a pinebook[1], I want to be able to put pinebook guts inside it, if I want a mnt reform[2], I want to be able to put mnt reform guts inside it. Too bad eoma68[3] is still sci-fi. [1] https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/ [2] https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-more-p... [3] https://…

I would expect this is similar to the tesla issue of building a common carcass (skateboard) to build different types of cars on top of.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by kieranl »

andrewshadura wrote: post #349
nrp wrote: post #162

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We have both ANSI and ISO layouts, and we've designed the keyboard to be end-user replaceable. We'll be adding more keyboard languages as we expand into more countries. The clear keyboard shown in our product photos is actually real too! We'll be offering clear and blank for the people who want that.

Is the ISO layout an actual ISO, i.e. with an extra key between the left Shift and Z? By the way, I’d love to have a Trackpoint or an equivalent. Or a trackball.

Yep the ISO layout has the \| key next to Z!

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Post by zerocrates »

burlesona wrote: post #55

Well, HN will love this. Moddable laptop with a good webcam? Nice. But: - I really dislike the arrow keys not having the air gap above left and right. You’d think they’d learn that from the MacBook butterfly keyboard era. - it’s a little disingenuous to say “no adapters” when in fact their little expansion cards are merely adapters that insert into the chassis of the laptop. Only four I/O ports is a little tight (des…

I really do hate full-height left and right keys, they're strictly worse in my usage.

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Post by zepto »

tstrimple wrote: post #433
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #327

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I'm not sure what you need "tons of adaptors and wires" for since you're only talking about SD cards, but to address that one example: what percentage of laptop users are professional photographers? One percent? A quarter? There are at least six fashion photographers in my apartment building and even I know they're a negligible slice of the population. Apple should not be designing their laptops around the needs of 1…

How far do we take this? What percentage of Macbook users use the tilde key? How many users open the terminal? What percentage of users use multiple desktops? The reason Excel remains the dominant spreadsheet software is because it has dozens of features that other spreadsheet applications don't have. Each one of those features is only used by a small portion of the user base but if you add up the users which use at…

The difference is that software doesn’t take up physical space or use physical resources.

The answer about how far we should take it is, as far as is reasonable.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

Toutouxc wrote: post #439
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #343

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If by people you mean consumers, then yes, if you mean corporate/tech workers, then no.

I don't think we even have a cable with RJ45 in the office I work in. Everyone's on Wi-Fi. All developers. Just saying.

In our case it's the opposite. Whole company is wired. No WiFi.

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Post by zepto »

addicted wrote: post #355
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #71

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They're just USB-C dongles that snap into the chassis.. You can see better shots here: https://frame.work This is an unpopular opinion, but I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. This solution is sort of clever but it sacrifices a ton of internal space that could have been spent on a bigger battery. USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. (the Nespresso analogy is ridiculous, a la…

What Apple did was gave people a solution that looks good on the retail floor, but in practice involved carrying a bunch of dongles, which take up more space, can break more easily, can be easily forgotten and are more finicky while using. In practice it leads to a significantly worse product for the vast majority of users, for the benefit of the minority that falls in the pro crowd and is able to get all their work…

> the vast majority of users

The vast majority of users don’t carry a bunch of dongles around.

It’s just true. What are most people doing?

Zoom, Excel, PowerPoint, Browser, Slack, etc.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by webmobdev »

tomtheelder wrote: post #284
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

I think the SD card example encapsulates the issue perfectly. I'm pretty sure that in 2021 that is an _extreme_ niche use case. I feel like only extremely serious photographers and perhaps a particular slice of musicians use them. It makes absolutely no sense for them to have that built into the laptop. 99% of people who own Macbooks or whatever don't own an SD card dongle because they don't need it. However, and ext…

> It makes absolutely no sense for them to have that built into the laptop. 99% of people who own Macbooks or whatever don't own an SD card dongle because they don't need it.

That's the issue - you are speaking only from an Apple user perspective. Android (and other non-apple) phones allow us to extend our storage with sd cards, and they are mostly used to store and transfer photos and videos.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by GordonS »

burlesona wrote: post #55

Well, HN will love this. Moddable laptop with a good webcam? Nice. But: - I really dislike the arrow keys not having the air gap above left and right. You’d think they’d learn that from the MacBook butterfly keyboard era. - it’s a little disingenuous to say “no adapters” when in fact their little expansion cards are merely adapters that insert into the chassis of the laptop. Only four I/O ports is a little tight (des…

Not sure if we're looking at the same photos and specs, but it looks and seems thin and light to me - 16mm thick, and 1.3kg according to the specs. I'm aware you can get slightly thinner, but not much lighter. IMO, anything thinner that this is making horrible sacrifices elsewhere, for little more than diminishing aesthetic returns.

Let's not forget that this is repairable, upgradable and expandable - when I first saw the HN title, I was convinced it was going to be a brick. It actually looks great, like a premium laptop from Dell or Lenovo. But supporting up to 64GB or memory, and repairable etc. Pretty amazing, I think.

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